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Post by Xheneta Britxind on May 22, 2012 1:14:11 GMT -6
My name is Xheneta Britxind.
If it so please the Squirrel King of Arms, I request the assistance of the College is designing and obtaining arms for myself and my lawful heirs.
My favorite colors (of those that are allowed) are black and white.
My tentative request to begin, would be blazoned (I think)
Sable, between a raven (or crow) volant argent and a snowflake argent a bend argent fimbriated.
It might look better or more balanced with a group (3) of snowflakes. Also, I pondered the addition of sable (4 or 5, cross molines?) crosses on the bend if it does not complicate the design too much.
Please help me with/correct my blazon where necessary. I am a beginning student of heraldry and am amazed at the intricacies of the field!
Meirci and much appreciation for your assistance!
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on May 22, 2012 2:42:32 GMT -6
My Unofficial Comment (No way has it to do with any allocation by the Royal College of Arms, just discussing):
"Sable, between a raven (or crow) volant argent and a snowflake argent a bend argent fimbriated.
It might look better or more balanced with a group (3) of snowflakes. Also, I pondered the addition of sable (4 or 5, cross molines?) crosses on the bend if it does not complicate the design too much. "
As per my understanding,
You want a black (Sable) base, and a white(Argent) crow and a (or three) white (argent )snowflakes on each side of the white band (bend) (dexter? or sinister?).
But how do you want to place the a fimbriation(thin division lines)? Since the bend itself is white it breaks the black base... and if you want to fimbriate with white, then the bend too will become black
If the bend is black (in case of white fimbriation beside it), the crosses will be white (and not black) as asked for...
If the bend is white (then there would be no fimbriation possible, i.e. if the base is to be kept black), and the crosses will be black.
I am once again sorry for poking my nose before the SKA or the Dean had their say...
[but I like the procedure when there is a little quality check by staff for compliance before the head sees the file... and gives their remarks and notings regarding approvals and delegations etc]
Ben-Ard
Citizen of the Realm
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on May 22, 2012 7:50:55 GMT -6
" [but I like the procedure when there is a little quality check by staff for compliance before the head sees the file... and gives their remarks and notings regarding approvals and delegations etc] "
Where did this "procedure" come from? I'm not familiar with it.
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on May 22, 2012 9:29:53 GMT -6
" [but I like the procedure when there is a little quality check by staff for compliance before the head sees the file... and gives their remarks and notings regarding approvals and delegations etc] " Where did this "procedure" come from? I'm not familiar with it. True... I was acting un-Talossan... and acting as if things are done here as in govt offices worldwide... and CoA are but extended government body (with little similarity with university functioning) |
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on May 22, 2012 9:44:26 GMT -6
But this isn't a "Government". It's a "College".
We have a set of protocols we must follow - as do most Colleges worldwide ...
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Post by Hooligan on May 22, 2012 11:47:32 GMT -6
 From and for The Royal Talossan College of ArmsAzul Xheneta -- As Squirrel King of Arms, I am pleased to accept your request for assistance in designing arms. I now charge the Penzance Pursuivant, Dean of the College, with assigning one of the Fellows of the College to provide that assistance. Rouge Lobster Herald Squirrel King of Arms |
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Post by Xheneta Britxind on May 22, 2012 16:23:05 GMT -6
As for fimbriation I was picturing a somewhat narrow bend (argent) with two minute argent bends bordering, with sable between the center bend and the two bordering. I guess that would be a more complicated blazon. (It's a lot clearer in my head, and in my doodle notebook, btw.) This was just one idea with the alternate being the regular bend argent with the crosses sable. Make sense? Please ask questions, this is one of those instances where I'm making a lot more sense to myself than to anyone else, I'm sure.
As for the charges, I meant for the crow or raven volant to be above the bend, and the snowflake(s) to be below.
Meirci!
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on May 22, 2012 16:41:16 GMT -6
Greetings! As Dean, I will be assigning you a Fellow to assist you with your CoA. He will be able to work with you on a design that reflects your ideas for your CoA, while staying in the rules of Heraldry and Talossa. Until then, I suggest you might want to peruse the following sites: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldrywww.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=ArmsBasicThey should be of great assistance in preparing your Blazon, and ideas for devices. Thanks! Mick Dean of the College The Penzance Pursuivant |
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Post by Xheneta Britxind on May 22, 2012 18:02:02 GMT -6
Thank you Sir Mick! I have already perused both of those sites, as well as many others, at length. (Given myself a headache a couple of times scrolling through examples.) It is no easy task to learn the correct terms/rules for blazoning, as I'm sure you know. I referred to both those sites when constructing my blazon, but I know I made (and will continue to make) some errors here and there. Please let me know of any suggestions/corrections you have. Thanks again!
By the way, if you don't already know, when using google images to search out examples of arms, it is amazing and gratifying to see how many familiar examples come up in the first pages-- that is, existing arms of Talossan citizens which I recognized immediately. Awesome!
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on May 22, 2012 18:34:47 GMT -6
By the way, if you don't already know, when using google images to search out examples of arms, it is amazing and gratifying to see how many familiar examples come up in the first pages-- that is, existing arms of Talossan citizens which I recognized immediately. Awesome! Yes, exactly - That's how the Squirrel King and I determined that "snow flake" would probably be ok as a charge. |
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Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on May 22, 2012 18:54:28 GMT -6
Because he's a slackard, and has nothing to do for ...oh, the next 20 days, I have assigned The Odd Fellow - Sir Iustì Canun, UrGP to be the Primary Fellow for your CoA. He will guide you through the steps in creating your CoA.
I have also asked The Mellow Fellow Owen Edwards to assist with the Blazon, and answering other questions you might have.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on May 22, 2012 18:58:49 GMT -6
So, what I'm getting out of this is the following blazon: Sable, between a raven volant argent and a snowflake argent a bend argent fimbriated (some colour/tincture) I think you just need to pick a fimbriation colour, and we can get it done. |
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Post by Xheneta Britxind on May 22, 2012 19:13:48 GMT -6
Maybe I should forego the fimbriation, since I only want sable and argent included. Thanks for you assistance.
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on May 22, 2012 22:01:17 GMT -6
If you like my suggestion... you can have a fimbriated bend argent... and then the bend will be sable... and all your charges can be argent...
Jolly Good (Jumping the Gun) Fellow
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Post by Xheneta Britxind on May 22, 2012 22:35:49 GMT -6
If you like my suggestion... you can have a fimbriated bend argent... and then the bend will be sable... and all your charges can be argent... Jolly Good (Jumping the Gun) Fellow Would that make the base argent? Here is what I meant originally, though I may have blazoned it incorrectly (my idea being the opposite of the example; sable with the rest argent):  |
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