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Post by Istefan Lorentzescu on Mar 14, 2012 22:14:18 GMT -6
It has sadly become obvious to me, more so in the last few days that the process towards the great reunison has brought a new very vicious and vindictive and bullying era to Talossan Politics.
After a Great Deal of thought and soul searching and no sleep. I have already advised my Party leader that:
I hereby resign my PPT membership and return the Cosa Seats to the Party leader Flip Molinar for redistribution.
As I am no long a PPT Member my M-M Assembly Seats automatically return to the Party Leader Flip Molinar for redistribution.
I also resign as Convener of the Board of Talossa AID leaving Flip Molinar as the only remaining board member fully in charge of its considerable charitable funds.
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Doug Earnest
Talossan since 9-1-2011
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Post by Doug Earnest on Mar 14, 2012 23:37:10 GMT -6
I hereby resign my PPT membership and return the Cosa Seats to the Party leader Flip Molinar for redistribution. Actually, I think the way this is supposed to work is the Secretary of State notifies the Ki ... oh, never mind, obviously it isn't important.
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Mar 15, 2012 0:01:32 GMT -6
On the one hand, and as I've said to someone else, if you want to see 'vicious', look up Witt in 2003-2004.
That being said...if I've contributed to your having no more fun doing Talossa, please accept my apologies, and I sincerely hope our nationette becomes enjoyable for you once more.
GV
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 15, 2012 0:08:54 GMT -6
I'm surprised and saddened by this... and mystified.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Mar 15, 2012 0:14:12 GMT -6
I'm surprised and saddened by this... and mystified. I'm not (well I'm saddened, but not surprised). Sten is Talossa's nicest guy and has left Talossan politics before when things got a little OTT for his liking. I somehow knew this was coming.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Mar 15, 2012 1:39:49 GMT -6
I'm surprised and saddened by this... and mystified. As I've said elsewhere, this is precisely what some of us feared. That the Republican traditions of debate might be somewhat strong meat for the more genteel Kingdom citizens. But on the other hand, some Kingdom citizens can give as good as they get, and then some. Please, Istefan, stick around and get to know us better. I don't think anyone's been "vicious" or "vindictive" or "bullying". At worst, some people (inc. myself) have been OTT and rhetorically flamboyant. But we mean no harm and apologise for any we have caused.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Mar 15, 2012 2:42:19 GMT -6
On the one hand, and as I've said to someone else, if you want to see 'vicious', look up Witt in 2003-2004. Please, please, please stop parroting that line. Either something is okay or it isn't. That the Aztecs secrificed humans 700 years ago doesn't excuse anything that happens today. Can we get a break from hearing about how we all should stop complaining because nobody is killing anyone in Talossa today? That being said, I don't understand S:reu Istefan Lorentzescu's reaction, but everyone must do as their disposition and conscience tells them. Although I hope to see fewer people accuse each other of being liars or make vapid comments about commies and liberals, I sure hope the tone in the Ziu will heat up a level or two. Politicians who smile and agree with everyone all the time don't highlight the differences between the alternatives.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Mar 15, 2012 2:46:42 GMT -6
I'm surprised and saddened by this... and mystified. My guess is that S:reu Lorentzescu is not reacting so much to the situation now, but is doing his maths to figure out what things will be in the Cosâ after the next election, that people will start to argue in loud voices, more like the British parliament than the current atmosphere, which reminds me more of an old ladies' tea party. He doesn't seem to feel comfortable with confrontational-style politics, which is after all the norm almost all over the world.
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Mar 15, 2012 2:47:22 GMT -6
Point very-well taken, Ián...
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Mar 15, 2012 2:47:36 GMT -6
Im also saddened by this. I hope my remarks on the PPT did not cause this. In any case, I higly respect you as a Talossan and as a politician and I hope you'll reconsider.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 15, 2012 3:50:28 GMT -6
There are lots of ways to be Talossan without actively being involved as a sitting politician. I know that I myself am of at least two minds as to whether I really want to be a member of the Cosa, given my personal emotional equilibrium. I wish S:reu Lorentzescu the best.
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Hooligan
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Post by Hooligan on Mar 15, 2012 9:32:24 GMT -6
I join everyone else in hoping that S:reu Lorentzescu's break from the political life here in Talossa is brief. I, too, am a bit surprised by this, as while he is right that things have "ramped up" some, I was not believing that anything had (or was ever going to) reach any kind of level that would cause someone to become disillusioned with our national discourse. I think, unless I have missed something, or have been misreading something, the discussions we are having -- even when they involve core differences -- are being held politely and respectfully, and even when little jabs are made, I am certain that they are being made with smiles on the faces of both the giver and receiver.
Let us all simply take Istefan's announcement here as another reminder that we continue to be vigilant against any descent into invective of the sort that drives people (and drove people) from Talossa.
Hool
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