The Reunision Enabling Act

[Istefan Perþonest]

Bill withdrawn for now.

[Eðo Grischun]

I would like to co-sponsor this Act, please.

[Istefan Lorentzescu]

I would also like to Co-sponsor this Act, Please.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

I believe we are putting the horse before the cart here.

I feel that we should allow the Province of Maritiimi-Maxhestic decide what, if any , land they are willing to relinquish to the creation of a new Province.

To just walk in and start changing street signs and boundary lines without asking the residents and citizens how they feel about it first - that just seems quite heavy handed.

As the Senator for M-M, I will oppose this Act until we in M-M can first discuss, debate, and decide on our own what land ( if any) we are willing to donate to a new Province.

[Flip Molinar]

I would like to cosponsor this bill please.

[Munditenens Tresplet]

Mar 5, 2012 7:42:07 GMT -6 Capt. Sir Mick Preston said:

I believe we are putting the horse before the cart here.

I feel that we should allow the Province of Maritiimi-Maxhestic decide what, if any , land they are willing to relinquish to the creation of a new Province.

To just walk in and start changing street signs and boundary lines without asking the residents and citizens how they feel about it first - that just seems quite heavy handed.

As the Senator for M-M, I will oppose this Act until we in M-M can first discuss, debate, and decide on our own what land ( if any) we are willing to donate to a new Province.

^ This.

It's up to the provincial governments to decide what land they wish to relinquish for the creation of the new province; the government can't just step in and cede land from one to another.

[Ián B. Anglatzarâ]

We're about to give up an entire nation, seven years of history. You really make us feel welcome.

[Óïn Ursüm]

I support this bill as it currently stands.

[Eðo Grischun]

Mar 5, 2012 7:42:07 GMT -6 Capt. Sir Mick Preston said:

To just walk in and start changing street signs and boundary lines without asking the residents and citizens how they feel about it first - that just seems quite heavy handed.

As the Senator for M-M, I will oppose this Act until we in M-M can first discuss, debate, and decide on our own what land ( if any) we are willing to donate to a new Province.

I thought the Hopper existed for those very reasons.

[Munditenens Tresplet]

Mar 5, 2012 13:58:24 GMT -6 Eðo Grischun said:

Mar 5, 2012 7:42:07 GMT -6 Capt. Sir Mick Preston said:

To just walk in and start changing street signs and boundary lines without asking the residents and citizens how they feel about it first - that just seems quite heavy handed.

As the Senator for M-M, I will oppose this Act until we in M-M can first discuss, debate, and decide on our own what land ( if any) we are willing to donate to a new Province.

I thought the Hopper existed for those very reasons.

Provincial Government boards exist for provincial related discussion.

If you recall, when the US government created Washington, D.C., Maryland and Virginia ceded land for the creation of the district; the national government didn't just step in and take over. (Virginia later took their ceded piece back thus showing the State power over National government power.)

Of course, a new province could be created without breaking up or ceding land from other provinces; that is, the government could stake a territorial hold further into current US territory, thus making the Kingdom's "mainland" territory larger, giving room for the new province.

[Istefan Lorentzescu]

I have been trying for weeks to enable discussion in M-M through with no interest from anyone else other than S:r Davis. This bill specifically acknowledges and relies on the Provinces involved to make their decisions, and for organic process's to take place.

While I might have preferred to keep our Province completely intact the Republican's have demonstrated eloquently with great passion Cultural historical other and ties to PMX and the current proposal seems more than reasonable.

Lets move to make Reunison a reality now

[Istefan Lorentzescu]

S:r Anglatzarâ I am sorry that you feel unwelcome unfortunately their is going to be some slightly heated debate here as their has been in the General Assembly and other places on the Republican Witt.

Everyone I have spoken to here in the Kingdom are more than elated over the possibilities created by the comming Reunison

[Istefan Perþonest]

Okay. First, by the Organic Law, M-M has the final say on whatever territory, if any, gets transferred. Thus, "upon authorization of the transfer of such canton by Maritiimi-Maxhestic through legal and Organic means". The Ziu and this bill can't change boundary lines without the consent of the residents. (In fact, even an amendment to the OrgLaw can't, unless it won a majority of voters in M-M.)

Second, this is in the Hopper, a place for debate and discussion. There is plenty of opportunity for M-M to debate and get the suggested borders in this bill changed before it's put on the Clark.

Third, if the goal is Reunison prior to the 8th anniversary of the declaration of the republic (and prior to the next national election in the Kingdom), then we actually are on something of a schedule, here. If M-M doesn't like this border, that's fine by me, but it would be useful if the province came forward with a counter-proposal in the next few weeks, before the May Clark.

[D. N. Vercáriâ]

I for one like to see a heated debate over here. It wouldn't be for anybody's benefit if the "reunision" is to be rammed down the throats of the citizens on either side of the Vuode Wall. The more you guys will have fiery debates on the issue, the more I'll think that it will be a good thing to join them bloody Monarchists, because that kind of a debate is looking so familar and Talossan to me.

[Ián B. Anglatzarâ]

Mar 5, 2012 15:08:49 GMT -6 D. N. Vercáriâ said:

I for one like to see a heated debate over here. It wouldn't be for anybody's benefit if the "reunision" is to be rammed down the throats of the citizens on either side of the Vuode Wall. The more you guys will have fiery debates on the issue, the more I'll think that it will be a good thing to join them bloody Monarchists, because that kind of a debate is looking so familar and Talossan to me.

A good healthy debate about the entire issue - reunision or not? Yes, by all means. I agree wholeheartedly. (But why it must be heated just to please you I'm not sure I understand.)