Danihel Laurieir
Citizen since 7-1981; Count since 2-23-2006
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Post by Danihel Laurieir on Jun 21, 2004 0:13:23 GMT -6
The One Talossa Party Credo and Platform
Credo
There are now two Talossas.
In the Kingdom lie Talossa's original spark and genius, its deepest roots and its mighty and sustaining trunk of history and experience.
In the Republic flows much of Talossa's creative force and new growth.
Talossa's roots have lost their vitality; Talossa's vitality has severed itself from its roots.
In two, Talossa will die twice.
There is one great and urgent task for the two Talossas: become one again.
As one, Talossa may yet see another 25 years.
Platform
The One Talossa Party's principle goal is to make seeking the reunification of the Kingdom and the Republic the official policy of the Kingdom.
In responding to the secession in the weeks and months ahead, the One Talossa Party urges a policy that eschews vituperation and forswears any efforts to prosecute any citizens of the Republic for treason.
To help pave the road for more amicable relations in the future, the One Talossa Party urges that the Republic promptly return to King Robert I any and all Talossan paper archives and allow him access to databases created for the Kingdom that are under the Republic's control.
To open a dialogue with the Republic without compromising the Kingdom's sovereignty, the One Talossa Party urges that Kingdom recognize the Republic as a community, but refuse to recognize any territorial claim that conflicts with the Kingdom's claims.
To allow citizens to respond to the significantly changed political landscape of the Kingdom, the One Talossa Party urges the government to seriously consider calling for new elections within the next month.
In the immediate aftermath of the secession, the One Talossa Party offers its moral support to the current Prime Minister and his government as long as they avoid the politics of recrimination.
Any citizen wishing to join the One Talossa Party should contact Party Boss Dan Lorentz.
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Post by mpf on Jun 21, 2004 7:40:26 GMT -6
> him access to databases created for the Kingdom that are under the Republic's control.
The database is NOT under the republic's control, it is under MY control.
The database will NOT get deleted, as I said in my renunciation post.
It will remain read-only for EVERYONE, protected from modifications, including from the republic.
It will remain accessible to EVERYONE to read, including from the Kingdom.
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Danihel Laurieir
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Post by Danihel Laurieir on Jun 21, 2004 9:12:02 GMT -6
Quote: "The database is NOT under the republic's control, it is under MY control.
The database will NOT get deleted, as I said in my renunciation post.
It will remain read-only for EVERYONE, protected from modifications, including from the republic.
It will remain accessible to EVERYONE to read, including from the Kingdom. "
I must have missed some of your posts...This is good news.
We need more good trans-Talossans like you and Tomas.
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Danihel Laurieir
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Post by Danihel Laurieir on Jun 21, 2004 14:07:34 GMT -6
This plank listed in the One Talossa Party platform...
"To help pave the road for more amicable relations in the future, the One Talossa Party urges that the Republic promptly return to King Robert I any and all Talossan paper archives and allow him access to databases created for the Kingdom that are under the Republic's control"
...apparently has already been accomplished. See post from mpf in this thread for how the Kingdom has access to Wittenberg databases.
And today I got an email from Michael Pope saying that he has already returned the paper archives.
Both of these actions and gestures are hopeful. Let's hope the Kingdom will accept them graciously and find ways to reciprocate.
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Post by jj2 on Jun 22, 2004 8:43:53 GMT -6
1) The RT contains the Royal Family
2) The RofT contains Chris & Lisa
3) None of the above are going to quit
4) The Royals & Chris/Lisa will never, NEVER reconcile
Thus - as high-minded and admirable as the goals of this party are, it's ultimate mission and raison d'etre (pardon my lousy French) are utterly pointless and futile.
As they used to say when I was in the Army - in response to something bad happening: "Bite the bullet and drive on."
JJ
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Danihel Laurieir
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Post by Danihel Laurieir on Jun 22, 2004 10:06:16 GMT -6
From JJ's post:
"1) The RT contains the Royal Family
2) The RofT contains Chris & Lisa
3) None of the above are going to quit
4) The Royals & Chris/Lisa will never, NEVER reconcile
Thus - as high-minded and admirable as the goals of this party are, it's ultimate mission and raison d'etre (pardon my lousy French) are utterly pointless and futile.
As they used to say when I was in the Army - in response to something bad happening: 'Bite the bullet and drive on.'"
Such brutal, unforgiving factuality...
You've always been a Talossan realist (not-to-mention frequent Ben-toady).
As should come as no surprise to you, I've usually prefered to match my Talossan politics to Talossa's ontological status: utopian.
I'm going to boil the bullet (to soften it) and stay put: when you're going nowhere, there's nowhere to drive on to.
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Post by jj2 on Jun 22, 2004 16:50:14 GMT -6
As DRL stated:
*aside* (hi Dan!) :-)
>Such brutal, unforgiving factuality...
Indeed... they don't call me "Realpolitik Jahn" for nothing!
>You've always been a Talossan realist (not-to-mention frequent Ben-toady).
I beg your pardon!? I prefer Ben-froggy. Frogs are much better looking than toads. Thank you.
>As should come as no surprise to you, I've usually prefered to match my Talossan politics to Talossa's ontological status: utopian.
Huh? (scratches head) Err, uh...yeah. ;-)
>I'm going to boil the bullet (to soften it) and stay put: when you're going nowhere, there's nowhere to drive on to.
Hmmm... ok, not sure how that translates into policy, but well, whatever. Boiling bullets can lead to them exploding in your face, ya know (to continue this tortured analogy). Something tells me there will never be a unified, single Talossan State ever again, though. But, if the Kingdom folks simply ignore the Republic folks and so forth, then there *is* a single unified Talossan State - it's just that the Republic doesn't exist in Kingdom eyes. That's one way to deal with it.
--JJ
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Post by markymark on Jun 22, 2004 18:19:21 GMT -6
In my opinion, there is only one Talossa- the Kingdom of Talossa. Thus, there can be no reunification efforts. As distressing as this whole crisis is, the simple fact remains that certain people CHOSE to leave Talossa. If these individuals would like to become Talossan citizens again, we have an Immigration Ministry to handle such matters.
I am not going to attack the republic, nor am I going to make friendly overtures. I am choosing to ignore the republic (as much as possible). Others are of course free to pursue other avenues.
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Post by kri on Jul 2, 2004 7:48:28 GMT -6
Azul!
>The One Talossa Party's principle goal is to make seeking the reunification of the Kingdom and the Republic the official policy of the Kingdom.
The official policy of the Kingdom is that non-Talossans may apply for Talossan citizenship.
>In responding to the secession in the weeks and months ahead, the One Talossa Party urges a policy that eschews vituperation and forswears any efforts to prosecute any citizens of the Republic for treason.
There is no need to prosecute anyone for anything; they have removed themselves from any lawful connection to Talossa, which would have been the appropriate penalty for treason anyway.
>To help pave the road for more amicable relations in the future, the One Talossa Party urges that the Republic promptly return to King Robert I any and all Talossan paper archives and allow him access to databases created for the Kingdom that are under the Republic's control.
To their credit, this has largely been accomplished. The transfer of the rest of the archives is set for Saturday, and my heartfelt thanks go out to Michael Pope for his conscientious work in this department. Marti-Pair Furxheir has not yet returned my private collection of Talossa videos (including the 1988 Coronation Party video). Marc Moisan has contacted him, asking him to do so. If Furxheir is reading this message, I encourage him to send them ASAP, and I do not give him any permission to copy them.
>To open a dialogue with the Republic without compromising the Kingdom's sovereignty, the One Talossa Party urges that Kingdom recognize the Republic as a community, but refuse to recognize any territorial claim that conflicts with the Kingdom's claims.
It may surprise you, but I have no problem 'recognizing them as a community,' as long as they give up ALL claims on our territory, our property, and (most importantly) on our identity.
There is no such thing as the Kingdom of Talossa. There is no such thing as the Republic of Talossa. There is only Talossa. Talossa chooses to express and identity itself through the majority vote of its lawful citizens, and through its national institutions as defined in the Organic Law. No group other than this nation has the right to call itself "Talossa." If the separatist group wants to have their own micronation, more power to them--as long as they don't usurp our good name.
If through some oversight the US government had allowed "whitehouse.gov" to be managed by a private individual, and that individual went and kicked George Bush off the website and proclaimed himself President of the United States, that would have just as much legitimacy as what happened last month.
>To allow citizens to respond to the significantly changed political landscape of the Kingdom, the One Talossa Party urges the government to seriously consider calling for new elections within the next month.
For the time being, my instinct is to leave the PC seats vacant (if JJ wants his share of them back, all he needs to do is ask).
>In the immediate aftermath of the secession, the One Talossa Party offers its moral support to the current Prime Minister and his government as long as they avoid the politics of recrimination.
As long as this does not preclude the politics of honesty.
Ben
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Post by seahobbit on Jul 2, 2004 14:47:58 GMT -6
It may surprise you, but I have no problem 'recognizing them as a community,' as long as they give up ALL claims on our territory, our property, and (most importantly) on our identity. This is interesting, although Talossa tend not to be involved into the micronational hobby per se, this "republic" of theirs is very much a community similar to Talossa. I would also agree to recognize them and perhaps even maintain diplomatic relation with a republic of ... (any other name but Talossa). I also have no problem with them having Talossan as their national language either. Perhaps they could have a variant dialect, that would be cool. Marc Moisan, C.D. Acting Secretary of State |
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