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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Nov 15, 2009 13:58:23 GMT -6
Under Section 10 of Article IV of the Organic Law the executive of the province is empowered to appoint a replacement (http://www.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=OrgLaw#ArtIV) for the former Senator Alexander Davis. Davis who resigned on 16 November effective immediately (http://talossa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4722&page=2).
As Grand General Secretary of Maritiimi-Maxhestic I will make an appointment to the office of Senator within the next 48 hours. Any citizen of the province who is interested in serving please let me know.
Also, if the people of the province would like for me to recuse myself from making the appointment because of my close involvement in the affairs leading up to our current situation then I will hand over the responsibility to the King or Cunstaval as they are dictated as next in line.
I await the guidance of the good people of our wonderful province.
Breneir
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Nov 16, 2009 13:10:23 GMT -6
I would have hoped that the Grand Secretary might have waited a bit, for a "cooling off " period before offering the still - warm vacant seat.
I REALLY am opposed to the seat being filled in the next 48 hours. There is no rush to fill this vacuum - no votes are needed cast for a good fortnight in the Ziu, and if there is any Business to be done in the Senates, they can surely put it off during the Thanksgiving holidays. Even after that, we would have a good fortnight more into the next Clark before a Senator's vote would be required to be cast.
I suggest - nay, strongly urge that a committee be formed, and candidates be interviewed before we appoint anyone. We first need to see who WANTS the job. And I certainly don't want to see a carpet baggers sniffing around our doorstep.
As for recusing yourself- I think it is better to err on the side of caution in this instance.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Nov 16, 2009 14:16:21 GMT -6
Warm or cold the seat is still empty, Captain, and nowhere in the relevant articles of the OrgLaw can I find permission for "cooling off" period.
But I understand your point concerning the absence of need to fill it immediately and also erring on the side of caution. Therefore, I recuse myself from future proceedings on this issue.
I am looking forward to working with the next Senator of M-M in the Ziu.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Nov 16, 2009 16:02:12 GMT -6
Warm or cold the seat is still empty, Captain, and nowhere in the relevant articles of the OrgLaw can I find permission for "cooling off" period. Hence my "hoping" , instead of "demanding". But thank you for understanding my other comments, and stepping back from this situation.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Nov 16, 2009 16:14:40 GMT -6
If I may, as an outsider:
IMHO
I think, perhaps that the proper conduct in this matter would be, as Captain Mick has suggested to form a committee (of leading M-M citziens) to choose a new senator immediately.
Perhaps part of picking this person would be the proviso that this interim senator would not run again during the next election of Alexander should opt to regain his seat.
Dréu
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Nov 16, 2009 18:45:19 GMT -6
But thank you for understanding my other comments, and stepping back from this situation. Thank you very much, Captain. I hope that this situation has not irrevocably damaged our friendship. Dreu, I am opposed to the proviso that you suggest, of course, that is only my personal opinion, and I am sure that the committee will do what is best for the province. I am now merely a concerned observer. But I definitely agree with you and the Captain that a committee would be wise. And I can already think of some names of great M-Mers...the good Captain of course and Istefan, for example.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Nov 16, 2009 19:19:26 GMT -6
Breneir -
Trust me, this has not affected our friendship one bit. I hold that above all political opinions or differences in interpretation of laws. It takes much more than a mild dust up on an issue for our friendship to even be slightly dinged, much less damaged.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Nov 16, 2009 21:43:31 GMT -6
Dreu -
I think with the current state of "active" M-M'ers we have - We would be doing a disservice to the Province if we limited the interim Senator to a one month term, and not allow them to pursue the Office after that.
If S:reu Davis wishes to run again (and I hope he does), bully for him. But I also think that he deserves to stand against all from M-M that want the job. Currently, we are limited to those that can hold the Office of Senator (the 1 year requirement limits the available citizens to stand for Senate).
I think the field should be open to all qualified individuals, regardless of who temporarily holds the Office next month.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Nov 16, 2009 23:13:25 GMT -6
After consideration, I believe I will run for this office again. It's been an impulsive few days.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Nov 16, 2009 23:43:02 GMT -6
Captain Mick, do we know yet when the committee will meet to appoint Alexander's replacement? From what I am reading it looks like the process will hit its stride sometime next month? Also, I have not looked yet at the Kingdom website for specifics but how long would the replacement Senator serve?
By the time of the next election for the province's senator couldn't we have a wider field of potential candidates?
---Those are just some questions off the top of my head.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Nov 17, 2009 8:33:18 GMT -6
Captain Mick, do we know yet when the committee will meet to appoint Alexander's replacement? From what I am reading it looks like the process will hit its stride sometime next month? Also, I have not looked yet at the Kingdom website for specifics but how long would the replacement Senator serve? By the time of the next election for the province's senator couldn't we have a wider field of potential candidates? ---Those are just some questions off the top of my head. We actually have no provisions in place to set up the committee. This is one of those situations that was not planned for by our predecessors. The groundwork has not been laid for such a development. In this question, I would suggest that you (in that you are Chief Executive of the Province) come up with some guidelines, and have the citizens vote up or down on them. As for terms of service, Article IV , Section 10 states: "If a Senator vacates his or her seat before the end of the term, the executive of the province shall appoint a Senator to sit until the next General Election or the next provincial election in that province, whichever is sooner, at which time the people of the province shall elect a Senator to serve the remainder of the term." The next GE is (tentatively scheduled for March 2010. The election for M-M Senate is March 2012. We are currently in our 4th Clark of the 40th Cosa. If we can have a "No Clark" month, that will put the GE in March. If so, that will add 3 Citizens to the prospective pool of candidates.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Nov 17, 2009 14:27:13 GMT -6
Thank you Captain, I am more than happy to draw up a tentative outline of the Commission but do you think that it goes beyond my recusal?
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Nov 17, 2009 14:49:19 GMT -6
I think as long as the candidates are selected by committee, then there should be no problems.
My suggestion would be 3 - 5 M-M citizens that are eligible to hold the office.
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Post by Istefan Lorentzescu on Nov 17, 2009 18:33:18 GMT -6
Keeping in mind that MM is Currently under a state of emergency and all executive and legislative power is vest in the Cunstaval
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Nov 17, 2009 20:27:42 GMT -6
Istefan makes a good point, actually. I have tried to keep out of this discussion, but it is in fact true that organically Tzaracomprada has no power, and it is the job of the Cunstaval to appoint someone. Since the Cunstaval will probably remain a nonentity, that means it falls to the King.
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