Üc R. Tärfâ
Talossan since 3-8-2005
Deputy Fiôván Secretary of State
Posts: 760
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Post by Üc R. Tärfâ on Mar 5, 2009 12:30:25 GMT -6
Fellow Talossans, It has been a long time since my last post in your forum or in the republican one, i've been very very busy in my macro-life. Hélas! However recently i've came back. And as I hope to have shown in the past, i've alwyas been very happy to be a Visiteir and tried to be active, as far as possible, in the Kingdom fora... I'm one of those who dreams that both the Republic and the Kingdom might one day overcome their differences, incomprehension, not-up-to-discussion points and found a compromise (which for definition requires sacrifices from both parts) to reunite the sundered Talossan people. But I'm not here to talk about politics, I'm here firstly to say a big Azul! to His Majesty and to all the citizens of the Kingdom directly from my heart! Then, I'm here to ask your help. As I've written in the RepWitt, I'm an Economics student (3rd year), and one my favourite curses is Monetary Economics. For this reason in this period I'm working on a "micromonetary model" based on the itrì (so "real") as it's legally defined now (in the model is m≡mλ+d, while I've expanded the generic definition to M≡mλ+d-c and proposed an equation M'=mλ-θd, so the actual legal definition of the itrì would qualifies it as a 0-stablity money ). But as I consider myself a Talossan without any other qualifications apart from the stricly legal "citizen of the Republic" and "visiteir del Regipäts zespäts duratzie", I do like to consider your currency and to offer my model to the wider Comunità Talossan. So, can you give me all information concerning your currency, your finance and central bank system and everything that may be interesting for a Micromonetary Model?
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Post by Owen Edwards on Mar 5, 2009 14:30:55 GMT -6
Hey Uc!
Not my area of expertise...
but good to see you about!
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Post by Cody Ellsworth on Mar 5, 2009 22:03:16 GMT -6
I too would love to see us reunited. It's possible. Anything's possible. It's just really complicated. I don't really think there is anyone (at least in the Kingdom) who wouldn't want us to reunite. Although, I have noticed that the thought of this has almost been passed off as being childish. I understand that it's because I haven't been around for long, and also the compromises would most likely be brutal, but still - It would be great. Great for Talossa and Talossans in general. Maybe not great for the people in power though. Things would indeed change. But is change really that bad? People in America who love Obama don't seem to think so! Trust me, I have nothing against The Organic, or Statutory Laws. I have a feeling that a rebuttal that will be used against what I'm saying is,"WELL, DO YOU THINK AMERICA WOULD CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION??!!11?!" Unfortunately, the answer is yes haha. That's not my point though. My point is, is that Talossa is different than America. It's ok to change things in my opinion. We don't have to worry about Talossa taking away our guns, or controlling what we do in our daily lives. The most tyrannous thing that could happen in Talossa is being accused of doing things you did not do, and actually getting thrown out (which has happened). So my ultimate point is, why can't we just compromise? Really, the only people it would be sorta bad for is the higher-ups. For Talossans in general, it would make us a stronger and larger community. Sure there are certain things we CANNOT change, but that's also for the higher-ups to decide. Which is sorta the problem. There will never be a reunification as long as the higher-ups feel threatened. Meaning having their power taken. I think some people are afraid to reunify out of their own interests. Not for fellow Talossans. I'm not meaning to sound ignorant, but I don't wish to hear a lecture. You can point things out, but I don't wish to hear a story. I normally would love to be lectured, just because I love to learn, but I'm sure it'll be what I've already heard. If this seems radical, it's really not. I'm just trying to point out the possibility of corruption. I'm not saying there is corruption. I said 'possibility'. Also, just in case this is thrown around, I did not say Talossa isn't great. Just because I said we're different from America, doesn't mean I was diminishing Talossa. We're a great nation of boundless possibilities.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Mar 5, 2009 22:25:37 GMT -6
Cody, I'll take it down to the bare bone minimum difficulties.
One side wants a Hereditary Monarchy, one side wants an Elected President.
One side wants to keep the OrgLaw and perhaps alter it as needed, one side wants to scrap both the OrgLaw and the Federal Code, and start anew.
While, on the surface, the two sides might look as close as each side of the Straights of Gibraltar by boat , they are as far away as if you were to WALK from Spain to Morocco without crossing water.
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Post by Cody Ellsworth on Mar 5, 2009 23:01:08 GMT -6
Haha, I gotta say. I loved how you involved the sea in what you were saying. Very nautical of you, Capn'. ;D I understand that though. I realize what each side wants. Neither could get exactly what it wanted. So the question is (if this subject were taken seriously), what could possibly be the compromise? Is it even possible to compromise in this situation? It always is, but is it even worth it after a certain point? These are just some of the questions that need to be thought about. I feel that it's just been kinda left alone, and every time it's brought up, it's just shot down. Has this subject ever HONESTLY, and SERIOUSLY been talked about? I'd like to know. Edit: I had a typo that looked really stupid hahah.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Mar 5, 2009 23:46:35 GMT -6
First, I was Army, not Squid Navy. I'm a Ground-pounder.
And bottom line, there is no compromise on that basic level of discussion.
Many have tried , privately and publicly . From common citizens all the way up to leaders. On both sides.
These are fundamental, dig into the ground, will not budge, will not change, you can pry my cold dead hand off the papers, roadblocks. Neither side will, nor wants, to change. Don't let either side deceive you. There is a core of dislike amongst the principles on both sides. They maybe pleasant on the surface, and every may be cordial - but behind the scene , they can't stand each other.
Until key people on both sides literally resign their citizenship, there will be no "reunification" .
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Üc R. Tärfâ
Talossan since 3-8-2005
Deputy Fiôván Secretary of State
Posts: 760
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Post by Üc R. Tärfâ on Mar 6, 2009 1:29:47 GMT -6
Although I appreciate your comments (and I tend to disagree with el Cap. Preston), my original intent wasn't to start a thread on this subject; but on monetary subject. (especially with the Minister of Finance and the Board of the Royal Bank.) Correct me if I'm wrong; you pegged your monetary unit (louis) to a reserve of beer And what about that reserve? How large is it? How does the monetary unite relate to that reserve,or you haven't a reserve at all? Which is the value of the louis (for example, 1 mu = 1 can)? To which beer do you refer? Is it valued in $ (so it's subject to US inflation)? Ecc... P.S.: Thanks Owen.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Mar 6, 2009 3:46:14 GMT -6
...you pegged your monetary unit (louis) to a reserve of beer... How I'd love to mug the Royal Bank with a mug in my hand, with a mug in my hand... hopefully, the reserve of this bank is not stale. :-)
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Post by Owen Edwards on Mar 6, 2009 12:25:40 GMT -6
I'd suggest, to Cody and others, that Mick grossly and dangerously (I am sure it was not wilful) misrepresents the situation.
Also, reunion isn't the only, nor even the best way for Talossans to work together.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 13:12:38 GMT -6
I disagree with the assertion that Mick misrepresents the matter. We had this discussion in previous posts. Those in the Republic have stated that in order for unification to even be discussed we would each have to abolish our respective political systems and law codes, then start fresh and make everything new, building together.
That is not like asking the U.S. to change its Constitution. That is like the U.S. telling England "Hey, we'll come back, but in order to make it happen, you have to abolish the monarchy and we each have to scrap our laws so that we can get together and make something new that we can all agree on."
It ain't gonna happen. But that's OK, because Talossans can still work together. We can all still be friends. We just have different ideas of the best way a government should be run, that's all.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Mar 6, 2009 13:22:12 GMT -6
" grossly and dangerously (I am sure it was not wilful) misrepresents the situation. " You are wrong on all three counts, Owen. This argument predates both you and me becoming citizens. It's the same now as it was then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 13:29:12 GMT -6
And Ián Anglatzarâ very clearly stated that the only two choices would be we join the Republic under their constitution or else each side scrap their systems and we build from scratch. How exactly did Mick grossly misrepresent the situation?
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Post by Owen Edwards on Mar 6, 2009 13:34:42 GMT -6
Some sort of high level dislike, barely concealed by vapid pleasantries.
"There is a core of dislike amongst the principles on both sides. They maybe pleasant on the surface, and every may be cordial - but behind the scene , they can't stand each other"
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Mar 6, 2009 14:01:37 GMT -6
I didn't say amongst everyone, Owen. I said a "core".
And I do believe that there are people, on BOTH sides, that really don't like someone on the other side.
At this moment, those people hold key posts in both Governments. Until those people retire, or take an even longer break, I don't see things changing.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Mar 6, 2009 14:05:43 GMT -6
I'd say, as a Kingdom politician, that any of my fellow Kingdom governmental colleagues who would let personal distaste get in the way of the greater good (WHATEVER that is, reunion, absolute cutting off of ties, etc) should do their duty, not their whim.
And as I say, reunion is not the only option. It's not my preferred option, as it happens, in the short and mid term, at least.
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