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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2008 17:20:21 GMT -6
I think at this point in time we can all agree that the last thing we need is another province or represented territory. Presently, we would really like to see more activity from the existing provinces. Would creating a new province solve anything? Would offering representation to a territory that has no citizens be wise? Who would vote for the Pengopats Senator?
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Post by Owen Edwards on Sept 17, 2008 18:14:53 GMT -6
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Post by Tric'hard Dïeulofaçeva on Sept 17, 2008 19:36:09 GMT -6
That's exactly the point. By making Pengopats a represented province it solves 2 issues:
1. The need for more senators without overextending the already fledgling provincial governments by picking people from other provinces to represent it
2. It also solves the problem of having a biased Senat by giving the offices to minority parties in the Cosa
I can not see a loss in this scenario. Some skeptics may say that Pengopats has no real citizens. Yet, we are the only country, as of know, that claims full political, economic, and territorial rights to Antarctica so we might as well take advantage of that. Whats the point of claiming these rights if we are not going to USE THEM. Who is going to take us seriously when we don't even develop our own regions! Second, we have passed multiple bills in the Ziu to represent Pengopats. True, most of the have failed but some of them have SUCCEEDED and that says something. I believe there are a group of people in Talossa that feel Pengopats has some merit and has rights to something. I say that a territory like Pengopats that provides such merriment to us all should be allowed to take it's part among the council of its larger brothers.
And finally, among further research of Pengopats Mt. Erni actually corresponds to the western mountain name of Mt. Seeling and upon more extensive research I discovered that there are over 25 potential citizens in the area. So indeed we do have human beings living in the area interchangeably. And there is always someone in the vicinity. We have the USA, Russia, and nearby Norway to supply us with human populations. So that solves the problem of having no population.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Sept 18, 2008 0:09:24 GMT -6
It's not Organic. Org.XVII.13: "No new province shall be constituted after the adoption of this Organic Law unless said proposed province shall contain a citizenry comprising at least 10 persons."
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Post by Tric'hard Dïeulofaçeva on Sept 18, 2008 17:35:34 GMT -6
Does Cezembre have any citizens living on the island? No. I do believe that Pengopats has enough human beings. And it doesn't have to be a province. It is a recognized territory, that is, a territory with government representation. So it is indeed Organic.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Sept 18, 2008 20:37:20 GMT -6
34 RZ9 - THE PEOPLE TO PROVINCES (No More Microprovinces) ACT
12. CÉZEMBRE PROVINCE: Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Cézembre Province: the Wisconsin counties of Marathon, Wood, Portage, Waupaca, Waushara, Winnebago, Marquette, Green Lake, Fond du Lac, Columbia, and Dodge. Overseas, the nations of England, Northern Ireland, France, Monaco, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Poland, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Republic of Cyprus, Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Slovenia, Croatia, Kosovo, Albania, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary. In addition, all territories of the world not listed elsewhere.
13. No Talossan citizen shall be assigned to the Territory of Pengöpäts or to any other Talossan territory.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Sept 19, 2008 6:09:15 GMT -6
Laws (even the OrgLaw) can of course be amended, so we could give Pengöpäts a senator or two if we really wanted. After all, the original subject of this thread was an OrgLaw amendment. But for me, it just doesn't seem like there's any reason to promote Pengöpäts while so many of our provinces still suffer from inactivity.
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Post by Tric'hard Dïeulofaçeva on Sept 19, 2008 15:48:05 GMT -6
Well we don't need to promote it. We may as well say its representing the needs of the people and give it the right to public office without giving it the other rights. The point is to get more senators NOT to create another province. Inactivity cannot be fought through creating Senator positions, if anything we should decrease the amount of positions so there are more people willing to work in the provincial governments. If we want to create an act in support of helping existing provinces then so be it, but that is not the issue we are trying to put an end to.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Sept 20, 2008 7:49:45 GMT -6
if anything we should decrease the amount of positions so there are more people willing to work in the provincial governments. That's the problem. Creating more senators, outside of the existing provinces, does the opposite. It uses up more active citizens, and therefore results in fewer people willing to work in the provincial governments.
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Sept 20, 2008 12:23:48 GMT -6
if anything we should decrease the amount of positions so there are more people willing to work in the provincial governments. That's the problem. Creating more senators, outside of the existing provinces, does the opposite. It uses up more active citizens, and therefore results in fewer people willing to work in the provincial governments. Because the provincial governments are so active.
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