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Post by markymark on Feb 13, 2005 15:11:08 GMT -6
The rules governing immigration have been greatly relaxed, which I feel was a good move. However, the Ministry must establish some type of format in regards to identity verification.
Identifying prospectives is a much easier job when the person is an "old growther," but becomes more difficult when they live away from Talossa. There is a danger that at some point an unscrupulous Immigration Minister could process many friends as citizens during an election.
A few posts on Wittenberg, or an e-mail with the Immigration Minister is not enough. I wonder if the old requirement of the essays should be returned (I wanted to retain them in the first place). Writing two essays demonstrates some knowledge of and committment to Talossa.
If anyone has any thoughts on this topic, please let me know. I would be especially interested to hear from current prospectives or new citizens on their experiences with the system of immigration. Thanks.
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Post by kri on Feb 14, 2005 13:07:38 GMT -6
Personally, I think the "What Talossa Means to Me" Essay and the Brief Autobiographical Statement should absolutely be brought back.
Perhaps the very first question we ask of prospectives should be to provide a phone number so we can call them up. Since June we have had so many Partholons (fake applicants for citizenship inspired by the quitters) that weeding these people out as quickly as possible should be a top priority.
Ben
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Xhorxh Asmour
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Feb 14, 2005 15:12:20 GMT -6
You're absolutely right, Ben!
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Post by jj on Feb 14, 2005 15:50:41 GMT -6
"Personally, I think the 'What Talossa Means to Me' Essay and the Brief Autobiographical Statement should absolutely be brought back."
I think we should remember one of the reasons we got rid of the essay: because everyone was just sending in essentially the same things over and over again: platitudes about how great Talossa is. However, it's a harmless request and I think it should be returned as well. Certainly the biographical statement would be good.
"Perhaps the very first question we ask of prospectives should be to provide a phone number so we can call them up."
E-mail, "snail"-mail and home phone number, indeed. A person who is honest and not trying to hide will gladly provide these to the IM (no, not ME, the Imm. Minister!). We should only make public, however, as much as the person desires.
We need to know the person's REAL name as well...then, whether or not they want to be called that here or elsewhere in Talossadom, that should be up to them.
"Since June we have had so many Partholons (fake applicants for citizenship inspired by the quitters)..."
What!?
"...that weeding these people out as quickly as possible should be a top priority."
Having them be honest and forthright right from the git-go should help.
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Post by markymark on Feb 14, 2005 16:05:18 GMT -6
Although no longer required by law, as Immigration Minister I have maintained the MC-95A Form and the requirement to send me a scanned or photocopied piece of photo ID.
The MC-95A Form contains the following information:
-Name -Birthdate -Address -Telephone Number -E-mail Address -Present Nationality -Political Affiliations -Religion
I will be proposing legislation, most likely on the upcoming Clark, to restore the essays as a requirement to obtain citizenship. I believe the rest of the process can remain as is. I still support the scrapping of the Cort interview, vote in the Ziu and extending the Civics Test to after becoming a citizen.
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Post by kri on Feb 15, 2005 17:28:33 GMT -6
> Although no longer required by law, as Immigration Minister I have maintained the MC-95A Form and the requirement to send me a scanned or photocopied piece of photo ID. A possible, less intrusive option would be to confirm the contact information given through a phone call. If the person has a listed telephone number that can be verified (through whitepages.com for instance) perhaps that would suffice? (It would be confirmed through an actual phone call to make sure that the person of that name is actually a real person at that number.) > The MC-95A Form contains the following information: These are all good things to know and I don't see why it should be controversial. > I will be proposing legislation, most likely on the upcoming Clark, Make sure you post them here on Witt first, otherwise Dan Lorentz will vote against them! > to restore the essays as a requirement to obtain citizenship. I believe the rest of the process can remain as is. I will support such legislation with my royal signature and with my... um... zero seats. > I still support the scrapping of the Cort interview, vote in the Ziu and extending the Civics Test to after becoming a citizen. No problems here! Ben
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Xhorxh Asmour
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Feb 15, 2005 22:30:28 GMT -6
I agree on everything Ben and Marcus said.
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Post by markymark on Feb 20, 2005 10:13:06 GMT -6
It would appear that the majority of citizens are in agreement that the two essays should be brought back as a requirement. I will be submitting legislation on the next Clark. For those who will not vote on a bill unless debate has been held on the matter, please take note that there has been discussion about this bill!
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Post by kri on Feb 20, 2005 16:06:32 GMT -6
Azul,
A suggestion for any immigration bill: It has become tradition to put ALL immigration-related stuff in a single bill, so that even the most minor change will still contain the WHOLE text of our immigration law. This eliminates the problem of having our immigration laws scattered among multiple Clarks and other documents.
The only problem is, I don't have access to the immigration law as it stands now. However, I believe that Marc Moisan does. If he could provide us with a copy or a link to said law, that would provide a basis on which to build your legislation.
Ben
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Xhorxh Asmour
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Feb 20, 2005 20:24:03 GMT -6
I think the MC95A form should be even more detailed. If it is kept confiential, I see no problem with it.
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Post by kri on Feb 21, 2005 9:20:48 GMT -6
>I think the MC95A form should be even more detailed.
What else would you like to see included?
Ben
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Xhorxh Asmour
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Feb 21, 2005 21:23:07 GMT -6
Here are a few things that might be added... maybe I can think of some more later
- present marital status - field of activity - number of children (if any) - languages spoken
Something I've been thinking of is a kind of information sheet to be emailed to prospectives giving an overview of how Talossa works (social organization, politics, language etc) and a list of citizens' rights and duties... just food for thought
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Post by kri on Feb 22, 2005 17:44:11 GMT -6
Xhorxh,
These are good suggestions, they don't lengthen the MC-95a form very much, and provide some valuable information.
> Something I've been thinking of is a kind of information sheet to be emailed to prospectives giving an overview of how Talossa works (social organization, politics, language etc) and a list of citizens' rights and duties... just food for thought
Not a bad idea either -- a possible item to include with it is the two-page historical synopsis of Talossa that I published in Støtanneu back in January.
Ben
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Post by markymark on Feb 22, 2005 20:39:37 GMT -6
I also think these would be interesting additions to the MC-95a Form. The form has no legal standing right now, but I would recommend its continued use.
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Post by kri on Feb 22, 2005 21:52:48 GMT -6
It's interesting, but over the years a few people have objected to the question about religion, as if that's an invasion of privacy.
Ben
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