Max Has Renounced! (or has he?)

[jj]

Per "another place:"

"Azul, Since my password to the webforum of the talossa kingdom give me the following error message error, : 'password or user name error'. I, Maxime Paquin-Charbonneau, Talossan of Florencia , official broke any relation with the Kingdom of Talossa. This put me in a no-mans land situtation since I'm a Talossan without a land."

"The accusation against Ben Madison seems to be true , because nobody execpt the old MN keep relation with the Kingdom of Talossa."

"Since the Republic constitution ban me to have regular right as a citenzen of the republic I will consider myself like an illegal immigrant in the Talossa Republic, because I'm a Talossan and nobody or any law can ban me to be Talossan."

"I'm asking for the Republic protection against the dictator Robert Ier. This request follow the meaning of your declaration of independance..."

[signed]
Max
Talossan

As he hasn't posted anything here (apparently, he can't, if we are to believe his assertions above) to this effect, I have to ask: is Maxime a citizen of the Kingdom?
My personal take is that he is...unless he withdraws his renunciation within...what is it...24 hours? Something like that.

The only thing is, does a public, written statement "someplace else" count? Or, perhaps he has privately e-mailed someone in the RT already and it's just that no one's said anything about it here yet?

I WANT ANSWERS, DAMMIT!!

[markymark]

I have also read the post concerning Max on the republic's discussion board; I am not sure if that counts for an official resignation or not.

[Lord Q]

I think for our purposes he has not, but for theirs he has.

If he intends to follow through with citizenship in the republic, and is ultimately granted it (he'll have an uphill battle with some), we've got laws that will deal with it.

My opinion is that this isn't something that demands immediate action. We've got some time before things really get rolling. Is anyone here trying to talk him out of it?

[kri]

Azul, everybody!

I'll hopefully have time later to do a Stot article about all this, but here's what I have for now:

I had a three hour phone conversation with Maxime last night (mostly at his expense, he seemed quite eager to tell his story).

From what he told me:

1. He has not applied for citizenship in the quitters group; merely for membership in their discussion board. How he chooses to curry favour with that group is his own business. He was unable to post to Wittenberg for unknown reasons; perhaps an account automatically goes dead after a certain period of inactivity. I don't know.

2. He has renounced his citizenship in BOTH groups in order to be a sort of neutral broker between us. His ultimate aim is to bring about some sort of reconciliation.

3. He is fed up with the bickering and blames the whole division on Chris Gruber's unquenchable lust for power. He blames the whole "Halloween Crisis" on that, and points out incredulously that one reason for it was Gruber's insistence with the PC that he become Prime Minister. Mind you, this was before he mocked my mother's death and called for my own death. If Gruber had told us that he wanted to be PM instead of taking the Cort seat he was offered (you can't be both PM and a Cort justice, of course), then probably he would have been made PM and there would have been no crisis. Instead, he told the PC he wanted to be PM, and he told the MN he wanted to be a Cort Justice. Both sides gave him what he wanted. He chose to be an asshole anyway because Gruber and Furxheir decided in 2003 to set up the fake site and kick the large majority of Talossans out.

4. He tells me that the thing that keeps the quitters together is the story, told repeatedly by Ragsdale, Furxheir, and Gruber, that I routinely hire "private investigators" to snoop into the backgrounds of any and all Talossans. As everybody with a brain knows, there is not one single shred of truth to the story. But it's a great story, because trying to disprove it is like trying to disprove the existence of God, or UFOs. You can't prove a negative. So it's a lie they can go on telling and re-telling, and there really isn't anything anybody can do about it. (As my dad put it, "Ben, how could you afford it?"

5. He says his ultimate goal is to reunite Talossa under a republican form of government with an elected head of state. This, of course, is completely in keeping with my own views, as I have been trying to abdicate for years and replace myself with an elective regency which would hold office on a regular basis for a completely powerless constitutional monarch. Plenty of room for compromise here. The MN is the majority party in Talossa and the MN supports my ultimate abdication. It's in their platform.

6. More possible room for compromise: He says there is a division between a less extreme faction under Michael Pope (the minority) and a more extreme faction under Gruber (the majority). As we have already amended our Organic Law to allow these people to return to Talossa, this may provide an opening.

7. He gave me a long discourse on his work with the Parti Québécois youth section, and how he finds 'real' politics much more personally fulfilling than Talossan politics. For that reason, he told me, he is giving the quitters six months to negotiate some sort of reconciliation with Talossa. Beyond six months, he will simply drop out of both communities.

So: What really happened? Ultimately, a lot of this boils down to the question of trust, and people who are trustworthy -- who don't go around telling different people different stories, or skulking around behind other people's backs, or stealing their identity or plagiarizing their copyrighted works -- are all still here.

That is one reason (of many) why Talossa is very much worth belonging to, especially now. I think everybody here wants some sort of reconciliation, and the restoration of our property and identity. Whether Maxime is the one to bring it about, who knows?

Ben

[markymark]

I was glad to hear that Max is not planning on becoming a citizen of the republic and that he wishes to see Talossa reunited. However, I am concerned by his wish to see Talossa reunited under a republican form of government with an elected head of state.

I fully support The King if he wishes to abdicate in favour of his son, with a Regent taking over the Royal responsibilities until the Prince reaches the age of majority. I will never support a republican system in Talossa nor the further removal of royal powers.

The whole system of monarchy provides the necessary checks and balances that are required in government. Besides, it is not suitable (in my opinion) for a Head of State to be chosen by means of an election, it would simply boil down to a popularity contest with the Head of State really only representing those who voted for him.

[seahobbit]

I sorry to hear that Max decided to renounce his citizenship, or has he? Unlike Márcüs, although I would prefer a monarchy, I am pretty indiferent as to the form of government, and I would definately favour reconciliation between us and the republican group. To me, Talossa is about community, and I have to admit that even though we don't always agree on each issues, we have been discussing things as adults and with mutual respects. I do not want to go back to the pre-seccession Talossa with the endless bickering. I am for reconciliation, not confrontation.

Marc Moisan, C.D.

[markymark]

I am not in favour of endless bickering; the position that I have adopted since the republican breakaway group was formed is to simply ignore the republic. Talossa survived and will survive long into the future.

The fact remains that there is little interest, that I am aware of, of any reconciliation with the members of the republican group. Not only are they against the concept of monarchy, but they would never accept Ben or Amy as citizens. I do not see how any sort of reconciliation could ever take place.

[jj]

The question remains: is Max still a citizen of the Kingdom or is he not?
He has not only written that he renounced his citizenship - albeit posted same in a different forum ONLY because he couldn't gain access, for some reason, here.
Secondly, he reasserted this via telephone conversation to KRI per notes above.
I think this means he is history.
Anyone else??

[kri]

Azul,

I.M., just a word to the wise:

Max is no longer a citizen, and publicizing the activity of people who are breaking the law is not welcome here.

Other than that...

Ben