Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Feb 10, 2008 14:42:51 GMT -6
Wait!
The law reads as such:
"FLORENCIA PROVINCE: Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Florencia Province: the Wisconsin counties of Florence, Douglas, Bayfield, Ashland, Iron, Vilas, Burnett, Washburn, Sawyer, Rusk, Taylor, Price, Oneida, Lincoln, Langlade, Forest, Menominee, Shawano, Marinette, Oconto, Outagamie, and Brown; and the U.S. states of Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Kansas and Nebraska." (Italics added by me)
You DO live in Colorado, so you DO live in Florencia
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Feb 10, 2008 14:43:55 GMT -6
What if that old-growther moves to another provinces and wishes to change provinces?
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
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Post by Hooligan on Feb 10, 2008 15:03:46 GMT -6
No, I live in Colorado, so I was assigned to Forencia province. I don't live in any of the nineteen city blocks that are Florencia province.
Hooligan
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
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Post by Hooligan on Feb 10, 2008 15:08:32 GMT -6
Clause 4a of the P2P Act indicates what happens when an Old Growther moves from one province to another (without moving outside the nation).
If the question is whether an Old Growth Vuodean, moving to Colorado, could choose to become a citizen of Florencia, I would think that this is possible, yes. The citizen could choose not to exercise the right granted by this proposed act (Ruby Slippers) and instead request that the Chancery make him a citizen of Florencia according to clause 10 of the P2P Act. I could be wrong, though, and would ask for others to comment on this. I mean, as a Cybercit Florencian, if I move to Rhode Island, I do not think that I can become an Atatürkey on request. Or can I? It would seem that there is no bar to giving up a provincial citizenship (without renouncing Talossan citizenship) and once that is done, the P2P Act could indeed be invoked to (re)assign the citizen to a new province.
Hooligan
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Feb 10, 2008 15:30:24 GMT -6
Actually, if you (as a Florencian Cybercit) moved to RI you could be assigned to Atatürk if you should so wish:
"Whenever any Talossan wants to move his provincial assignment to the province in whose assigned area he actually lives, he may do so, provided that either a) the province to which he is moving has a lower population than the province from which he is moving, or b) both provinces are currently closed to immigration."
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King John
King of Talossa
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Post by King John on Feb 10, 2008 15:40:57 GMT -6
The People to Provinces (No More Microprovinces) Act (34RZ9) governs which province someone gets assigned to when he first becomes a Talossan. The People to Provinces Improvement Act (35RZ23) covers changing your assignment from one province to another (which shouldn't happen very often): Whenever any Talossan wants to move his provincial assignment to the province in whose assigned area he actually lives, he may do so, provided that either a) the province to which he is moving has a lower population than the province from which he is moving, or b) both provinces are currently closed to immigration. So our hypothetical old-growther who moved to Colorado could NOT (as long as Florencia is bigger than the province he WAS assigned to) become a Florencian. Why not — just a suggestion — treat Count Laurieir's case as special? The way the law stands now, it couldn't happen again; if a resident citizen moved outside the country, he would only be reassigned if he wanted to be, and if the population conditions specified in 35RZ23 permitted it. (So we don't need to solve the *general* case, just the specific case of Count Laurieir.) So maybe ... just have a special act to reassign the Count, and leave it at that? Of course, anyone actually resident in the Kingdom is a citizen of the province he lives in. That hasn't changed in ages. — John R
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 10, 2008 16:12:51 GMT -6
Why not — just a suggestion — treat Count Laurieir's case as special? The way the law stands now, it couldn't happen again; if a resident citizen moved outside the country, he would only be reassigned if he wanted to be, and if the population conditions specified in 35RZ23 permitted it. (So we don't need to solve the *general* case, just the specific case of Count Laurieir.) So maybe ... just have a special act to reassign the Count, and leave it at that? Wow, I guess current law does cover this pretty well. I'm starting to think we're right. Maybe we just need to say that the principles of 35RZ23 should have applies to Dan, and do a retroactive fix.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Feb 10, 2008 16:38:58 GMT -6
WHITCARE for HOME GROWTH
Nuff said.
This is a good Bill, and I huug Hooly greatly. The LRT backs this.
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
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Post by Hooligan on Feb 10, 2008 17:47:31 GMT -6
It seems, based on the opinions of the sovereign and Justice Siervicül, that this proposal may not be necessary, and as its primary sponsor, I would be happy to withdraw it, and see if the Prime Minister might be willing to issue a Prime Dictate to address the singular situation of Count Laurieir.
Hooligan
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Post by speechguy on Feb 14, 2008 11:56:09 GMT -6
Can I throw a wrench in all of this? I am an old-growth citizen that lived off of Oklahoma Ave. in Milwaukee when I gained citizenship (I forget what province this might have been). My son and daughter wereboth born in Milwaukee. I was assigned to Vuode when I moved to Delaware in 1995 (pre-cyber). Now I live in New Hampshire...my son turns 14 in April...what are the options? Ready, set, GO!
Thanks! John
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 14, 2008 11:59:46 GMT -6
Can I throw a wrench in all of this? I am an old-growth citizen that lived off of Oklahoma Ave. in Milwaukee when I gained citizenship (I forget what province this might have been). My son and daughter wereboth born in Milwaukee. I was assigned to Vuode when I moved to Delaware in 1995 (pre-cyber). Now I live in New Hampshire...my son turns 14 in April...what are the options? Ready, set, GO! Thanks! John Zooks! I don't think the Oklahoma Ave. area is in Talossan territory, is it? Isn't that south of the mouth of the River? Do you think your son would be interested in registering as a citizen? If so, he'd be the first person to ever make the transition from Dandelion to full voting citizen. How exciting!
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Post by Nic Casálmac'h on Feb 14, 2008 12:20:16 GMT -6
I thought this made sense before, but now I am beginning to think it might be unnecessary. It kind of seems like there shouldn't be too much of a problem in future cases.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 14, 2008 12:31:43 GMT -6
I thought this made sense before, but now I am beginning to think it might be unnecessary. It kind of seems like there shouldn't be too much of a problem in future cases. The sponsor withdrew it a few posts ago: It seems, based on the opinions of the sovereign and Justice Siervicül, that this proposal may not be necessary, and as its primary sponsor, I would be happy to withdraw it, and see if the Prime Minister might be willing to issue a Prime Dictate to address the singular situation of Count Laurieir. Hooligan
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Post by Nic Casálmac'h on Feb 14, 2008 13:32:25 GMT -6
Ah, thanks. I guess I missed that.
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