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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Feb 6, 2008 6:01:38 GMT -6
Above Change has been made....
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 6, 2008 9:30:14 GMT -6
This looks reasonable. In the near future we should consider legislation (or an OrgLaw amendment) to clarify the appropriations process. As things stand, the Royal Household Cleaning Act and Cabinet Refinishing Act could be read to authorise the Finance Minister to drain the whole treasury to use on whatever he wants. Don't do it, Xhorxh!
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Xhorxh Asmour
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Feb 6, 2008 10:30:34 GMT -6
The Men in Black Act WHEREAS 34RZ21 (The Burgermeister of Inland Revenue Act) creates a position called "The Burgermeister of Inland Revenue" who is supposed to make and maintain a Talossan bank account, and......... I definitely think this bill should be rewritten. 1. As the current Burgermeister of Inland Revenue has been inactive for quite a long time; 2. As that position has proved superfluous; 3. As the Kingdom's monies should be kept by someone in the Finance Ministry, where they logically and obviously belong, The position of Burgermeister should be extinguished and the monies should be kept by the FinMin himself or by someone chosen by him. A financial report should be issued by the FinMin every year. That would certainly do the trick.
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Flip Molinar
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Post by Flip Molinar on Feb 6, 2008 12:11:41 GMT -6
But how do we ensure the monies are legally and appropriately earmarked for their individual purposes?
I yield
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Xhorxh Asmour
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Feb 6, 2008 12:29:36 GMT -6
If we can't legally open a bank account for Talossa, the monies will have to be kept in someone's bank account. In theory, no one can guarantee they won't be stolen. It's mainly a question of confidence. :-)
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 6, 2008 12:50:13 GMT -6
The point of the Burgermeister is that it is a position that won't change from term to term. We absolutely cannot be switching all of our funds from one person to another every six months.
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Flip Molinar
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Post by Flip Molinar on Feb 6, 2008 13:06:58 GMT -6
The point of the Burgermeister is that it is a position that won't change from term to term. We absolutely cannot be switching all of our funds from one person to another every six months. Another great point S:reu Davis, that is why the position is necessary.
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Xhorxh Asmour
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Feb 6, 2008 13:27:59 GMT -6
If we must have a Burgermeister, he/she must be an active Talossan we can really trust and easily get in touch with. As King John is the only person supposed to be around forever, perhaps he would be the best choice. And, as far as I know, only the Reps have problems with him. ;-)
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 6, 2008 13:49:39 GMT -6
Then the issue is switching Burgermeisters, not eliminating him.
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Xhorxh Asmour
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Feb 6, 2008 13:53:23 GMT -6
The point of the Burgermeister is that it is a position that won't change from term to term. We absolutely cannot be switching all of our funds from one person to another every six months...... But then........ Then the issue is switching Burgermeisters, not eliminating him. I feel overwhelmed...
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 6, 2008 13:55:32 GMT -6
I never argued we should never switch. There might now be cause to switch. But we can't make it automatic, every six months. That would be foolhardy.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Feb 6, 2008 14:43:49 GMT -6
Given that individual spending Bills can be brought up at the appropriate time, the present form of this Bill is a lot better, and garners the LRT's official support.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Feb 6, 2008 15:22:41 GMT -6
Xhorxh, one of the main points of the Men in Black bill is to make sure no one steals any money!
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Post by Hooligan on Feb 6, 2008 19:48:20 GMT -6
The nation is made aware that I have taken the subject of the Burgermeistersqab up with the King outside of this forum. His Majesty understands the pressing need to have an accountable and active Burgermeister manage the Royal Treasury, someone who can answer to the investment instructions of the Finance Ministry, and to receive and account for funds. His Majesty is currently pondering how to address the current situation by staffing up the Burgermeister's office with the appointment either of a new Burgermeister or a Deputy (as per provisions of the Royal Household Cleaning Act, a Deputy has full authority to act for the Burgermeister).
Hooligan
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 21, 2008 1:01:23 GMT -6
"1. The publication of a financial report to be presented to the Ziu exactly one week after the Cosa assembles detailing the amount of money in the treasury and the amount of interest collected."
This is unclear language. I suggest the following changed version:
"1. The publication of a financial report to be presented to the Ziu exactly one week after the Cosa officially convenes, detailing the amount of money in the treasury, its current disbursement and prospects, and the amount of interest collected since the last report to the Ziu."
I would also like to suggest this legislation wait until the matter of the Burgermeister is settled. I saw it was Clarked, but I feel this is perhaps premature and suggest that it be withdrawn from consideration in the Clark.
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