Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Oct 5, 2007 23:25:08 GMT -6
The Saffron Act
Whereas, the Burmese peoples have suffered under authoritarian military dictatorships since 1962 and specifically the State Peace and Development Council since 1992; and
Whereas, these successions of regimes have been responsible for continuous and sustained violations of human rights (ethnic cleansing, forced labor, conscription of child soldiers, etc.) and denial of civil, political and economic freedoms (suppression of movements for democratic expression, etc.) and have been specifically responsible for the displacement of at least 500,000 ethnic minorities and the deaths of at least 300 people who were members of outlawed opposition political parties over the course of the past year alone; and
Whereas, the Burmese peoples have repeatedly in fearless and bold form proclaimed their yearnings and determination for a unfettered capacity to express their own vision of the UN charter's promise to all peoples around the globe of self-determination; and
Whereas, in the fine words of current UN envoy to Burma, Ibrahim Gambari, "No country can afford to act in isolation from the standards by which all members of the international community are held"; and
Whereas If your government has gone so far as to irritate Buddhist Monks to the point they come out of their Monasteries to complain about it;
Therefore, the Kingdom of Talossa as a member of the international community that respects and affirms the rights of all peoples for expression of all forms of political, civil and cultural freedoms and expresses its solidarity with the brave saffron-robed Buddhist monks that have taken to the streets and monasteries of Burma to oppose dictatorship and brutality.
Uréu q'estadra så:
Mick Preston, MC (RUMP)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2007 0:23:26 GMT -6
Esteemed Secretary of State,
Would you be so kind as to post some sources for the numbers and dates this act states?
Sidenote: This will probably pass, even if it is a complete waste of Talossan time. So um... I expect you'll be posting an act condemning North Korea's Kim Jong Il for his human rights records and the millions that have died under him?
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Oct 6, 2007 0:39:26 GMT -6
As you wish: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmarwww.uscampaignforburma.org/www.burmacampaign.org.uk/www.cfob.org/www.altsean.org/www.birmaniainfo.org/www.witness.org/index.php?option=com_rightsalert&Itemid=178&task=view&alert_id=53www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35910.htmwww.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bm.htmlwww.hillerphoto.com/burma/www.freeburmacoalition.org/sunsite.nus.sg/SEAlinks/burma-info.htmlwww.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Burma(Even the freaking Aussies are telling their people not to go there.) If you wish, I'll post other links, if you don't trust the State Department of the United States, or the CIA of the United States. ================= Side Note: What do you NOT consider a waste of Talossan time? Was my previous reference to an Act that outlawed a certain type of Cereal not enough? You wanna go through all the Acts passed by the Ziu, and determine which are a waste of time, and which are legit? You tell me what fits into your concept of what is worthy for the Ziu to discuss. We'll then go thru all the Acts that have been passed before, and see if they meet your criteria. ==================== a side note: And, if you want to get pissy with me about what I support, and what I don't- I suggest you don't make it personal, and you do take it private. I have yet to pull what ever rank the SoS has, if any. I am a MC in the Cosa, and I have one vote. I can't pull any leverage there. I am the Capo for the RUMP. No rank pulling there. Just fun. Now, for the record, I am Buddhist. Have been for the last 42 years. This is something I do, not because it's my "feel good" idea for the day. This is important to me. Just like it's important to me, that people know what the English Govt. did to the Irish in the 1800's. Just like it's important to me, what the USA did to the Irish, when they came over due to the Potato Famine. But I can't change that. I can't add any more condemnation to those acts, that haven't already been said. But I can, as an individual, tell the Burmese govt I don't agree with their ideas. As I said before, I have done that on Facebook. I have also done that in other venues. And, as a MC... I am asking the Kingdom of Talossa to join me.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Oct 6, 2007 5:04:06 GMT -6
Just to avoid controversy... you probably shouldn't source wikipedia (though I think it's great)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2007 10:44:00 GMT -6
As you wish: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmarwww.uscampaignforburma.org/www.burmacampaign.org.uk/www.cfob.org/www.altsean.org/www.birmaniainfo.org/www.witness.org/index.php?option=com_rightsalert&Itemid=178&task=view&alert_id=53www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35910.htmwww.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bm.htmlwww.hillerphoto.com/burma/www.freeburmacoalition.org/sunsite.nus.sg/SEAlinks/burma-info.htmlwww.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Burma(Even the freaking Aussies are telling their people not to go there.) If you wish, I'll post other links, if you don't trust the State Department of the United States, or the CIA of the United States. ================= Side Note: What do you NOT consider a waste of Talossan time? Was my previous reference to an Act that outlawed a certain type of Cereal not enough? You wanna go through all the Acts passed by the Ziu, and determine which are a waste of time, and which are legit? You tell me what fits into your concept of what is worthy for the Ziu to discuss. We'll then go thru all the Acts that have been passed before, and see if they meet your criteria. ==================== a side note: And, if you want to get pissy with me about what I support, and what I don't- I suggest you don't make it personal, and you do take it private. I have yet to pull what ever rank the SoS has, if any. I am a MC in the Cosa, and I have one vote. I can't pull any leverage there. I am the Capo for the RUMP. No rank pulling there. Just fun. Now, for the record, I am Buddhist. Have been for the last 42 years. This is something I do, not because it's my "feel good" idea for the day. This is important to me. Just like it's important to me, that people know what the English Govt. did to the Irish in the 1800's. Just like it's important to me, what the USA did to the Irish, when they came over due to the Potato Famine. But I can't change that. I can't add any more condemnation to those acts, that haven't already been said. But I can, as an individual, tell the Burmese govt I don't agree with their ideas. As I said before, I have done that on Facebook. I have also done that in other venues. And, as a MC... I am asking the Kingdom of Talossa to join me. Thank you for your sources. There were appreciated. Moving on, I had clearly stated in the other thread I thought this was a waste of Talossan time, or did that part evade you completely? As was also said, by myself, I believe Talossa should focus on Talossan affairs, I said I favour a more isolationist point for Talossa*can be found here:http://talossa.proboards32.com/index.cgi?board=hopper&action=display&thread=1191029499&page=3* (based on size and circumstance). That part just flew right by didn't it? Re: Sidenote 1: As far as the cereal act, that was keeping with, how Talossa describes her culture: quirky. Again, relation to Talossa. I do not know where you get off saying what you said now if you did not say it then? This reply was nothing new, it was reiterating what was already said. Re: Sidenote2: As far as getting pissy with you, I most certainly did not. I merely restated my stance on this act. If you cannot handle that, I'm sorry, that is your problem. I am merely a struanch adversary to such an act, it is you who has gotten heated about it, I have merely been defending my stance. As far as making it personal? Are you calling me out and/or threatening me? Because that is awefully what it seems you are doing. Have I questioned each and every act you support? No! I merely questioned this one. I am rather entertained and sorry that you are getting so defensive over this. And with that said, it seems as if you want this to go personal. Also, the pull any "rank" of SOS? I sure hope that wasn't directed towards me because of my stance on this bill... Moving right along... I'm glad you have been buddhist for the past X amount of years, more power to you. Everybodies religions should be respected. And I am glad that you stand up for what you believe in right. As you stated, you cannot condemn any more what the English has done to the Irish, because it's been said and done a bunch of times before. Well guess what, same thing can be said about Myanmar. More power to you for stepping up in your personal life for your personal convictions, but I just do not think that Talossa should be used for people's personal crusades... is that too hard of a concept to grasp? Finally, to sum up what I just said, I did not personally attack you, I do not question everything you do and do not support (and if you think I do, start showing me where I have done that since I've been here), I believe Talossa should focus on Talossan affairs, and I support my stance favouring isolationism and/or neutrality because not a single person has shown me how it would be beneficial for us to do otherwise.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Oct 7, 2007 16:26:04 GMT -6
Just to avoid controversy... you probably shouldn't source wikipedia (though I think it's great) You are not a legislator, and should not be commenting on this unless you have something particularly important to say. This reply is exactly the sort of thing that would have been best expressed in private communication, rather than here. Please confine your remarks, if you absolutely must make some, to that which is relevant and important. As to the Minister of Immigration, I believe I have expressed myself sufficiently previously that it would be unnecessary to do so again here; suffice to say that while I agree in general with a relative isolationist policy, in this instance I am inclined via the fervor of interest towards this intercessory resolution. Let me assure the MinImm that I respect his stance very much, however. Capitan Preston, might I suggest that main improvement to this bill might be to make it somewhat less flowery in language; the facts require little embellishment. This is only a suggestion; it has my support in its current form.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Oct 7, 2007 22:37:44 GMT -6
Senator Davis:
I appreciate your comment about the language. I will be the first to say, this Act was not written by me, but by a fellow M-M'er, who had no voice in the Ziu. As an MC, I chose to take his words, without comment, and present them to the Ziu. It might not be how I would word the bill- but I respect the citizen to the point, that I will not change his words nor feelings.
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My final words to my friend, Viteu.
First, and foremost, I consider you a friend, an ally, and someone I respect. This is why I reply. You are a friend of mine, and friends can disagree.
When you say "Esteemed Secretary of State,", then I feel you are making it a personal statement. This may be purely my reading into the statement- since I am the ONLY SoS. I posted the Act to the Clark as a MC, not as the SoS. I'm not trying to influence this Act as the SoS. I would never try to do that.
My comments about me being Buddhist was to tell you that I am not doing this because it's not my "Feel good" action of the day. I'll be honest, I took offense at that the first time I read it. this *IS* something that is important to me, not just because I am Buddhist. I'm an advocate of Democracy. And I don't like Buddhist Monks getting killed. Or anyone getting killed. Or anything, for that matter. But I digress.
With all of the above said, I respect your opinion, your ideas, and your stance.
I don't agree with it, but that's what makes us Talossans, right?
(edited to clarify my ramblings)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2007 22:50:22 GMT -6
Senator Davis: I appreciate your comeent about the language. I will be the first to say, this Act was not written by me, but by a fellow M-M'er, whi had no voice in the Ziu. As an MC, I chose to take his words, without comment, and present them to the Ziu. It might not be how I would word the bill- but I respect the citizen to the point, that I will not change his words nor feelings. ======================================================== My final words to my friend, Viteu. First, and foremost, I consider you a friend, an ally, and someone I respect. This is why I reply. I want you to first understand, when you refer to me as a friend, and I do appreciate your comments. That is why I respond. When you say "Esteemed Secretary of State,", then I feel you are making it a personal statement. This may be purely my reading into the statement- since I am the only SoS. I posted the Act to the Clark as a MC, not as the SoS. I'm not trying to influence this Act as the SoS. I would never try to do that. My comments about me being Buddhist was to tell you that I am not doing this because it's not my "Feel good" action of the day. I'll be honest, I took offense at that the first time I read it. this *IS* something that is important to me, not just because I am Buddhist. I'm an advocate of Democracy. And I don't like Buddhist Monks getting killed. Or anyone getting killed. Or anything, for that matter. But I digress. With all of the above said, I respect your opinion, your ideas, and your stance. I don't agree with it, but that's what makes us Talossans, right? It was not my intention to offend you. This is not something that any two Talossans should "hate" each other over. I do value your opinion and I know you aren't stupid. But I can agree to disagree, and things shall return to normal on the board. This, too, shall pass. Now, I have to run to the bank(gas station) to exchange some american dollars for talssan currancy (buy some beer).
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Oct 7, 2007 23:11:37 GMT -6
I know V- I know you didn't INTEND to offend me. Nor did I intend to offend you.
Just clearing the air, and making sure that all the others (new citizens) understand, that you can disagree with anyone here, and it can be cleared up in a few posts.
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Post by tucka12 on Oct 31, 2007 5:56:51 GMT -6
Thank you very much for your strong position, It means a great deal, and I support you 100%.
Jason Orenstein
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Nov 5, 2007 20:39:47 GMT -6
Is this bill still on the table? I would like very much that it get passed.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Nov 5, 2007 21:50:17 GMT -6
It is still in discussion until such a time as the submitter either withdraws it or submits it to the Clark, or until the SoS removes it. Since the submitter IS the SoS (which occurs to me is a bit of a weakness in the current process) it will remain there until he decides what to do with it.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Jan 29, 2008 8:53:41 GMT -6
I would like to re-submit this for consideration by the Ziu.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 29, 2008 9:05:37 GMT -6
Breneir-
If you would, I would prefer you have the honor of affixing your name to this bill.
This is your work, and you deserve full credit for it. I was only a place-keeper for this bill until the time came you could present it yourself.
I suggest you start a new thread, so that all will know who's fine work this truely is.
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