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Post by kri on Oct 14, 2004 10:02:25 GMT -6
>I agree 100% with Tomás, historical records should stay as is, and when someone decides to use their Talossan name (or revert back) they should be known as such from then on.
The problem arises (as with Ián Metáiriâ) when a person uses his 'real' name for twenty-plus years, and then decided he wants to change. I'm willing to do some historical revisionism to make my friend happy, but I don't think as a matter of policy, this should happen very often. To tie the use of a name to immigration would solve the problem, I think.
Ben
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Post by seahobbit on Oct 14, 2004 15:02:18 GMT -6
The problem arises (as with Ián Metáiriâ) when a person uses his 'real' name for twenty-plus years, and then decided he wants to change. I'm willing to do some historical revisionism to make my friend happy, but I don't think as a matter of policy, this should happen very often. To tie the use of a name to immigration would solve the problem, I think. Well, I am AGAINST any revisonism of historical records. They were known by a name when those records were made so be it. If they change their name all NEW records from that point should have the new name. If they decide to revert back, so be it, but historical records should not be changed. As for any legislation preventing Talossan from changing their name, I'd oppose it. Marc Moisan, C.D.
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Post by gariceir on Oct 14, 2004 15:34:18 GMT -6
I'm in agreement with Marc. I'm all for having new citizens make a choice as to which name they want to be known by at the time of their naturalization, and they should be made to understand that if they decide to change it, we're not going to go back and rewrite records, books, etc. But I just don't like the idea of bringing legislation into the matter.
As for Mark Hamilton's name: it turns out there's a lot of Talossan words for hills! The Treisoûr gives the following:
hill: muotâ<br>large hill: ovéir small hill: colinâ<br>low hill: mogoreu rounded hill: aldâ<br>stony hill: olt hillock: cantaloûr<br>hillside: c'hlidâ<br> See anything you like? The Talossan for "crooked" is tortuös; I'm wondering if it might not be better just to use one of the words for hill and leave it at that.
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Post by markymark on Oct 14, 2004 18:05:19 GMT -6
I think I will pick either the word for low or stony hill. I will make an annoucement sometime soon, as I am seriously thinking about starting to use my Talossan name. If I do begin to use my Talossan name, I will introduce it slowly, and I do not expect or desire my name to be changed on websites or any historical documents.
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Post by kri on Oct 16, 2004 12:18:15 GMT -6
My vote would be for Márcüs Cantaloûr, unless people think it looks too much like "cantaloupe"!
Ben
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Xhorxh Asmour
Talossan since 02-21-2003
Wot? Me, worry?
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Oct 16, 2004 16:13:41 GMT -6
My opinion is, among the surnames suggested, 'cantaloûr' sounds best, Marky. ;D
Now, talking about the historical side, I think that no names should be changed in the records, but maybe we should add to new records the Talossan name followed by the expression 'formerly known as...' From now on new citizens should use their Talossan names.
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Danihel Laurieir
Citizen since 7-1981; Count since 2-23-2006
Videbimus Omnes
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Post by Danihel Laurieir on Oct 19, 2004 19:28:32 GMT -6
What would be my Talossan name?
My full name: Daniel Robert Lorentz.
Here's how I'm thinking of it: Daniel=Daniel in the lion's den=lion or maybe=judge. Robert=whatever the standard Talossan translation is. Lorentz=something to do with laurel or victory.
What say you, O Lords of Language? Who am I?
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Post by kri on Oct 20, 2004 7:57:48 GMT -6
Azul, Dan, Your name has been in the list for a long, long time. It is: Danihél Rôibeard Lauriéir. Ben
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Post by markymark on Oct 29, 2004 4:03:31 GMT -6
After using my Talossan name for a little while now, I love it! I just wish I had started using it long ago.
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Post by kri on Oct 30, 2004 17:21:02 GMT -6
Azul, Márcüs!<br> Glad you like the name--we should work on some legislation regarding names (not this month, but next, give us time to write it).
Ben
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Post by markymark on Nov 2, 2004 4:39:22 GMT -6
I would be glad to assist in this project, we have a month to work out legislation.
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Post by kri on Nov 2, 2004 13:21:31 GMT -6
IMHO, the legislation should cover (or at least provide guidelines on) the following topics:
1. Who is responsible for creating Talossan names (CUG?);
2. The automatic or mandatory assignment of a Talossan name to each citizen within a certain time of his/her naturalization;
3. Whether or not the citizen can alternate back and forth between names for legal and publicity purposes (e.g. would a citizen have legal rights in asking for his name to be changed in Ar Pats?);
4. I suggest a period of six months after the adoption of the law to ask citizens to "lock in" one name or the other for all legal and publicity purposes for all time, but I understand this is controversial.
Any other issues at work?
Ben
P.S. Márcüs! Do you have contact info for Al Cheléir? If so, could you e-mail it to me? Thanks!
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Post by markymark on Nov 3, 2004 5:49:57 GMT -6
I think the CUG should be responsible for creating a Talossan name, with the Minister of Immigration being the person to relay the information to the prospective/new citizen. The ONN must be revived. If the CUG came up with a few different choices for a name (as with my last name) then the citizen should of course be free to select their favourite.
I believe that a citizen should be able to change their names whenever they feel like it; but they cannot expect all documents to be immediately changed. It would be wise to advise new citizens to select which name they would like to go by and to stick with it.
As for historical documents, if the citizen can demonstrate that they have sufficient reason to demand their name be changed, then everything should be done to accomodate them; with the undertstanding that multiple/frequent changes of names or changes for frivolous reasons will not be accepted. Also, a lot of work is involved in changing names in works such as Ar Pats, and this cannot be done overnight.
I do like the idea of some type of biographical webpage for those who use their Talossan names- it would make it easier to remember who is who, as sometimes I get a bit confused!
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Xhorxh Asmour
Talossan since 02-21-2003
Wot? Me, worry?
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Nov 3, 2004 10:36:36 GMT -6
I agree with Mr. Cantaloûr
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Post by kri on Nov 3, 2004 20:24:10 GMT -6
>I agree with Mr. Cantaloûr<br> As do I!
Ben
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