Sir Samuhel Tecladeir
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Post by Sir Samuhel Tecladeir on Dec 9, 2005 0:23:59 GMT -6
As promised, I have done some research have an idea, if acceptable.
It is a shield, divided into three colors: silver, orange, and maroon. Silver (for peace of mind) is the dominant color and the orange (worthy ambition) is on the right hand side with the maroon (patient in battle yet victorious) is on the left. I have picture for what I had in mind.
I would like to have a Nebuly Line at the top and a Raguly Line toward the top where the two colors meet. The Raguly Line signifies the difficulty I've had in my life while the Nebuly Line signifies my rising above it.
There are four symbols on the shield: two larger and two smaller. The two larger are an allerion at the top (signifying strenth of will and authority of mind) and an anchor at the bottom (signifying religious steadfastness, the foundation of my being). The two lesser symbols are on the sides, I think either overlapping or outside of the colored triangles. On the left is a chess rook (strategic thinking) and on the right, an arm in armour (leadership). These lesser symbols are my pursuits and the greater symbols are my character.
I don't know if you have banners, but if possible, the banner would read "Frumoasité, Pëvarë, és Adanaziun." On the right hand side of the banner would be a small closed book (signifying the giving and taking of counsel) and on the left would be a set of Hawk's Lures (signifying the high pursuits). Optionally, Peacock feathers would border or accent the banner.
What do you guys think?
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Dec 9, 2005 1:50:21 GMT -6
Dear Foreign Minister Del Octêt - As Dean of the College of Arms, it is my honour to recommend you to the Blanc Wolf Herald. He will be able to assist you with your design. A few notes before handing you to Blanc Wolf: 1. It is the custom of the King to grant the gentry of the Kingdom a shield. Should you be knighted or granted a letter of patent raising you to the nobility, other elements (like banners, helms, mottoes, belts, and robes of estate) may be offered, depending on the level of the award. 2. A gentleman's achievement is to be considered provisional until the Squirrel Queen at Arms recommends the potential armiger to the King. The recommendation is delivered to the King at specific times of year in the form of petition entitled "a List of Recommended Honours" or Honours List. The College submits our suggestions to the Sovereign at specific times of year so as not to continually distract His Majesty from the important affairs of State with our minor petitions. The next petition is for Independence Day Honours. 3. I encourage you to continue your research into the heraldic arts. A good step in any design process is to be familiar with the Rules of Heraldry as practiced by the Kingdom and the College. You can find those here: www.diplom.org/manus/talossa/?lingo=&page=ArmsRules4. Before deciding on colours for your arms, I encourage you to review a draft of a document that the Fellows of the College have been debating. This document details the colours used in Talossan heraldry, and when complete, will detail other allowable design elements. You can find that document here: www.diplom.org/manus/talossa/index.cgi?lingo=&page=ArmsBasic5. Before deciding on the number and type of charges on your device, I encourage you to review a document published by the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) titled Assorted Lessons in SCA Heraldry - Slot Machine Heraldry. While the College of Arms does not embrace every SCA convention of heraldry, we do strongly discourage Slot Machine designs by applying Talossan rule of Heraldry II-1-b. That SCA document can be found here: www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/lessons/lesson02.html6. Since arms are a gift of the crown, the Sovereign of Talossa, on the recommendation of the Squirrel Queen of Arms, must personally approve your achievement of arms. The Squirrel Queen of Arms is responsible for following acceptable heraldic practice and for maintaining high aesthetic standards. To do this, she has instructed the Kingdom's heralds to create meaningful and powerful designs using a limited number of symbols and colours, often in dramatic contrast. By determining what elements are most essential for inclusion and by taking advantage of the College's expertise, you can ensure the creation of a beautiful and lasting design. It is important to remember that grants of armorial bearings are made by the Crown to be valid forever. Please rest assured that the College and her Fellows stand willing to help you create the best possible coat of arms for you and your heirs. Good luck in working with Blanc Wolf Herald. -- Jaune Sabre Herald, Dean
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Sir Samuhel Tecladeir
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Post by Sir Samuhel Tecladeir on Dec 9, 2005 9:33:39 GMT -6
Based on the slot machine allusion, it is clear I was not clear in my design. Incidentally, by "shield", I meant "device". COLORS: I will describe the color scheme geometrically and maybe that will help. Picture a standard device. From the bottom point, draw a straight vertical line upwards, ending about 2/3 of the way the device. From that point, draw a line 30 degrees downwards to the left, ending at the device's border. The enclosed space would be red. Draw a symmetrical line on the the other side of the vertical. that enclosed space would be orange. The rest of the shield would be silver or white. With silver, the device looks cooler though. The list of colors I found is at the site www.fleurdelis.com/meanings.htm as well as other heraldic devices I will reference. I would ask and beg on my face to have the colors orange and silver added. Orange carries the idea of "worthy ambition" and that is my life (probably more on the ambition part, but in recent years has tamed to the worthy). The silver speaks to "peace of mind" and is something I sacrificed in the ambition part until the last three years. LINES I noticed you don't have any lines on your document (probably because it's not complete). Referencing the site above (and another like it), the two lines I mentioned continue my "life story". Difficult time surrounded when I was pursuing my ambitions and the war I created. With that end in mind, there could be a Raguly chevron that would replace the 30 degree points I mentioned before. The Nebuly line would be towards the top of the device. SYMBOLS Yeah, it was pretty complicated after this especially in light of the rules of the Heraldry. I don't want to create trouble, it's just that the device is a very deep expression of who I am and what's gone on in my life. To that end, the most important symbols are the anchor and the allerion (picture an eagle with downturned wings without feet or beak). I've already stated the symbology. I'll see if I can't break out a graphics program over the weekend and show what I have in mind. I don't think it will break with the rules of the College and it will look pretty cool. BANNER I knew the banner was a stretch, but I loved the Talossan translation of the phrase "Beauty, Power, and Knowledge." It, again, is an extension of my story. Thank you, M:sr Herald for you continued input.
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Sir Samuhel Tecladeir
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Post by Sir Samuhel Tecladeir on Dec 13, 2005 15:23:45 GMT -6
There's been a lot of private emails going back and forth to help me with this. I just wanted to say thank you to those involved. I didn't expect this much help so quickly and passionately. It's appreciated.
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Dec 14, 2005 1:19:29 GMT -6
S:reu Samuhél - Thank you for your kind words. I hope we're getting close to what you visualized. How does this design look?
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Dec 14, 2005 5:31:29 GMT -6
There's been a lot of private emails going back and forth to help me with this. I just wanted to say thank you to those involved. I didn't expect this much help so quickly and passionately. It's appreciated. Awesome! I can't wait to see what our heralds have worked up for you.
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Dec 14, 2005 15:33:35 GMT -6
Oops - Please forgive me, Sam. I mixed up the graphic of your design with Lord Hooligan's. Sorry about that. Here you go - Per bend argent and gules, a bend sable raguly. We'll get the anchors and eagles once we get the field. Hope THIS one helps. Hmmm... should the bend be described at counter-raguly? Hmmm.... -- Jaune Sabre
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Sir Samuhel Tecladeir
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Post by Sir Samuhel Tecladeir on Dec 14, 2005 16:54:28 GMT -6
I like the Lord Hooligan's. It fits with his general motif. However, I think that you should have the one beer drinker with a cigarette in his mouth and a remote in his hand and then have the other one with a cigarette in his hand and a remote in his mouth. We must maintain symmetry, you know.
I think counter reguly is more appropriate. By that, I assume you mean that the lines of the bend are not symmetrical, but offset so the peaks and valleys compliment each other. On other designs, that's the way it looks. I like the color scheme and I think the gules subservient to the argent. I was also told that replacing "silver" for argent was acceptable. Could you modify that? The "general coolness factor" would be enhanced I think.
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Dec 14, 2005 19:22:42 GMT -6
Samuhél says: I think counter reguly is more appropriate. By that, I assume you mean that the lines of the bend are not symmetrical, but offset so the peaks and valleys compliment each other. Actually, no. I'm not sure if counter-reguly is a legitimate blazon, but I was referring to something else. Here's an example: In this earlier draft, the bend is counter-embattled, or in horribly imprecise English, the black diagonal bar has crenelations (the square sticky-up things) along the top edge AND along the bottom edge. As shown in the sample below, a pale embattled has crenelations only along the top edge. So the question is "Do we need to say 'bend counter-raguly' to make sure that those reading the blazon understand that both the top and bottom edges have teeth?" The trick is to be both precise and concise, while at the same time being both accurate and unambiguous. Keeping within the conventions and traditions of the last several centuries is good too. Thus endeth the lesson... -- Jaune Sabre
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Sir Samuhel Tecladeir
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Post by Sir Samuhel Tecladeir on Dec 15, 2005 13:08:27 GMT -6
In all honesty, I think that "counter reguly" and "reguly" are synonymous. The "zig-zaggy things" are offset and based on what you're showing me, we're talking about the same thing. The reguly line is a line, not part of a line. The definition of that line is offset. Also, on your first example, I think the lower part of line has the diagonals going the other way as seen here and below: However, they also have it shown this way under the same name: According to Pimbley's (a link I found on the Heraldic Society in the UK), it's "Notched or jagged in an irregular diagonal manner". The irregular would tell me that they are offset. So, a combination of the two above.
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