Discussion - What is the hopper?

[Glüc da Dhi]

First of all, is the Hopper part of the Ziu and should it therefore fall under Ziu moderation rules? On the one hand it obviously has a function related to legislation and is primarily used by the Ziu, on the other hand the OrgLaw states that the hopper is administered by the SoS, who is not a Ziu member. Also, we allow non MZ's to post in the hopper as well...

Secondly, what is even the hopper. The OrgLaw mentions it as a venue for inspection of bills, but inspection is not the same as discussion, which is what the hopper is now, a discussionboard. The lexhatx also mentions that after X days legislation can be removed from the hopper (language that originally came from the Orglaw, I think?), but how would that work? I dont plan on removing entire discussion threads… Maybe the Hopper, as Organically defined should just be a single thread in the hopper that lists which bills and which versions are currently active, as in, not removed from the hopper or withdrawn to be clarked.

Thoughts?

Also, should there be a standard for whether bills should be amended by editing the original post or by creating a new post with the amended version. Currently, everyone seems to be doing something else...

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Jan 29, 2020 4:51:34 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

First of all, is the Hopper part of the Ziu and should it therefore fall under Ziu moderation rules?

My argument is YES. The Túischac'h legally keeps order in the Hopper and IMHO should the co-moderator of the Hopper board along with the SoS.

As for your other questions, I suggest that you just draw up your own rules and we'll live with them. I'm tired of endless discussion that goes nowhere and nothing happens.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

The Hopper is most certainly not part of the Ziu. It is specifically described as a public venue administered by the SoS. I don't think the OrgLaw is ambiguous about this. I don't think it legally has to be a discussion board -- it could hypothetically be just any place where interested MZs and citizens could look at prospective bills, be it a simple website, a Twitter account, or a single thread on a board. Statutory law does require that a place be provided on Witt for the discussing and debate of bills, though, and so it makes sense to have that be the same place they are posted to be viewed (for a lot of reasons), so that debate can easily occur.

A lot of the "may be removed" stuff has never really been used.

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Endless discussion is how people understand why you do things as a leader, Miestra. If you are tired of that, resign.

I have never seen the Tuischac’h exercise authority in the Hopper, and I would be surprised if it statutorily feel under their purview.