Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Dec 23, 2019 16:11:16 GMT -6
that the Chancery has concluded that the following citizens have not voted in a general election or responded to a census in the two years preceding the election deadline: #116 #138 #233 #235 #294 #431 #506 #508 #526 www.talossa.ca/files/citizens.phpIn accordance with Org.XVIII.10 these citizens shall be deemed to have renounced their citizenship. Their status in the database will be changed accordingly. I will wait with suspending their witt accounts until all the forum changing stuff has been sorted out. Citizens who have lost their citizenship in this way can regain their citizenship by one of three options: - Send an email to talossachancery@gmail.com from the email address that was previously on file including the following information: Name, Postal Address, Telephone Number. - Go through the regular immgration process. - Ask an MC or Senator to sponsor an act restoring your citizenship. New population: 185 (After the previous election 191) Excluding dandelions: 153 (After the previous election: 159) Glüc da Dhi Secretary of State
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Dec 24, 2019 5:26:23 GMT -6
Albrec'ht Cheléir Olaf Brainerd Çelis del Þeracour Cresti Caveglhet Ian Andríeu Civaßì Valerio Addis Peter Zinner Artemis Brown Istefan da Tzara
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Dec 24, 2019 11:42:28 GMT -6
Albrec'ht Cheléir Olaf Brainerd Çelis del Þeracour Cresti Caveglhet Ian Andríeu Civaßì Valerio Addis Peter Zinner Artemis Brown Istefan da Tzara Olaf was around, what? Ten years. Very sad to see anyone go, but it's always extra poignant to see an old-timer no longer interested in Talossa...
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Dec 24, 2019 12:21:58 GMT -6
Albrec'ht Cheléir Olaf Brainerd Çelis del Þeracour Cresti Caveglhet Ian Andríeu Civaßì Valerio Addis Peter Zinner Artemis Brown Istefan da Tzara Olaf was around, what? Ten years. Very sad to see anyone go, but it's always extra poignant to see an old-timer no longer interested in Talossa... Yeah. A few "big names" on this list. I'm surprised to see Cheléir, Brainerd, del Þeracour and Caveglhet striking out. On one hand I hate that this happens, but on the other hand... well, these (ex-)citizens did consciously choose to not participate to the point of losing citizenship. I'll quote the civic nationalist Ernest Renan for the second time this year. "A nation is a soul, a spiritual principle. Two things which, properly speaking, are really one and the same constitute this soul, this spiritual principle. One is the past, the other is the present. One is the possession in common of a rich legacy of memories; the other is present consent, the desire to live together, the desire to continue to invest in the heritage that we have jointly received ... The existence of a nation (you will pardon me this metaphor) is a daily referendum". (emphasis my own). These citizens choose via the current means of Talossa's version of enforcing the idea of a daily plebiscite to cease their continued consent to being part of our nation. If we are to accept that becoming Talossan is a choice, we must also accept that the choice exists to cease being Talossan. Saddening, but it is what it is.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Dec 24, 2019 12:25:34 GMT -6
NDP (Non-dandelion population) is 153 now, it was 165 after last election, and it was 182 the election before that. So our citizen base is shrinking at close to the same rate as our voter turnout?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 24, 2019 15:08:17 GMT -6
Olaf was around, what? Ten years. Very sad to see anyone go, but it's always extra poignant to see an old-timer no longer interested in Talossa... A lot of "relative old-timers" (not REAL old-timers like GV or myself) only knew the post-Ben RUMP Talossa. For them, that's what Talossa was. We all know that Talossa has changed post-Reunision and it's not for them. This isn't great. It's also sad that good citizens who thought that Talossa was "all over" when KR1 abdicated have decided not to continue our journey. But it also doesn't mean that there is something wrong with what Talossa is becoming. This is not a numbers game - more citizens good, fewer citizens bad. Before the flinging wide of the immigration gates under the post-Ben Kingdom, Talossa had only ever had less than 150 citizens. For most of its history - as written down in the Big Thick History - Talossa actually had something like 20 citizens. What I am getting at is that Talossa can be healthy with a tiny handful of active citizens, and it can be sick with hundreds of citizens. (The commitment of many of the citizens of the pre-Reunision Kingdom, for example, seems to have been based on a particular "goofy" form of Talossanity, which was quickly given up when the original "goofs" lost interest, eg the beer and piracy stuff.) I remain focused on levels of activity rather than raw numbers of citizens on the books as a sign of our health. I will not go down the path of Lord Hooligan who defended the rights of the inactive over the active.
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Dec 25, 2019 0:51:36 GMT -6
Points well-taken, Miestrâ...
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Dec 25, 2019 21:00:31 GMT -6
I think Talossa can no longer be healthy with a "tiny handful of active citizens," these days. I think that these trends are a pretty dire sign that something has been wrong and probably is still wrong now. I mean, there were a bunch of people who used to be active and interested and Talossa, and no longer are so. I'm not sure there's anything that could be done to have retained folks who only had a personal loyalty to Robert I, but it kind of sucks that people who used to like being "goofy" (or whatever we call it) no longer feel like Talossa has anything to offer them. If the appeal of Talossa has shrunk, that seems like a bad thing, not a good thing.
But whatever. I'm tired of being the only one sounding the alarm over this sort of thing. Maybe I'm wrong, everything is great and this yearly decimation of population and voter interest is actually a sign of health (maybe the equivalent of the loss of civic dead wood?) But I'll stop bringing it up. The Powers That Be know about it and say it's okay, so okay.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Dec 25, 2019 21:12:18 GMT -6
I think Talossa can no longer be healthy with a "tiny handful of active citizens," these days. I think that these trends are a pretty dire sign that something has been wrong and probably is still wrong now. I mean, there were a bunch of people who used to be active and interested and Talossa, and no longer are so. I'm not sure there's anything that could be done to have retained folks who only had a personal loyalty to Robert I, but it kind of sucks that people who used to like being "goofy" (or whatever we call it) no longer feel like Talossa has anything to offer them. If the appeal of Talossa has shrunk, that seems like a bad thing, not a good thing. But whatever. I'm tired of being the only one sounding the alarm over this sort of thing. Maybe I'm wrong, everything is great and this yearly decimation of population and voter interest is actually a sign of health (maybe the equivalent of the loss of civic dead wood?) But I'll stop bringing it up. The Powers That Be know about it and say it's okay, so okay. FWIW, I don't think you're 100% wrong. But, neither is Miestra. I think that you and the Seneschal are arguing polar extremes and that we should be working to find a balance between the two viewpoints. As the current Minister of Interior my thoughts are very much on the issues of citizenship attraction and long and short term retention rates. I have, last week, submitted a whitepaper to the Cabinet with plans that I hope will address this very issue. So far, the plan has been met positively and I hope work will begin on this soon.
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Dec 31, 2019 5:29:54 GMT -6
Hey SoS, citizen 519 and former citizen 430 are the same person.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Dec 31, 2019 6:49:24 GMT -6
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Dec 31, 2019 7:54:42 GMT -6
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Dec 31, 2019 10:27:54 GMT -6
Past practice with the Database has always been any citizen keeps their same number forever and is not registered again as a different number. Registering a citizen with a different number is to the Database as if a new citizen had gotten on-board. Keep this citizen to his original number, please. Good catch, Lüc!
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King John
King of Talossa
Posts: 2,415
Talossan Since: 5-7-2005
Knight Since: 11-30-2005
Motto: COR UNUM
King Since: 3-14-2007
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Post by King John on Dec 31, 2019 13:51:57 GMT -6
Did you check people who voted in the Florencia-Fiova referendum? Because I believe Olaf Brainerd voted in that. Does that count for maintaining citizenship?
— John R
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Dec 31, 2019 14:09:57 GMT -6
I don't think midterm referenda currently count for maintaining citizenship. They probably should count though, so that's something worth looking into for the future. It does not matter now, because none of the former citizens listed (including Olaf Brainerd) voted in the referendum.
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