Vote ZPT

[Ieremiac'h Ventrutx]

What is the ZPT?  The ZPT are the zealous Defenders of Talossa.
Join the hard working Zefençadeirs del Päts Talossan in a common
effort to defend our land, our law, our language, our culture, our
people and our King. 

VOTE ZPT - RESISTANCE IS A MATTER OF CONSCIENCE

Zefençadeirs del Päts Talossan
    - Pro Monarchy
    - Pro Organic Law
    - Pro Talossa
    - Pro Defense
    - Pro Culture

ZPT Planks
1. The Kingdom of Talossa must be defended from outsiders.
    1.1 The ZPT will work to preserve our national boundaries and our provincial designations pure and intact.
    1.2 The ZPT will work to prevent the abuse of the Talossan Territories
    1.3 The ZPT will work to promote the national presence in the Greater Milwaukee Area.

2. The Kingdom of Talossa must protect our Organic Law.
    2.1 The ZPT will work to enforce existing OrgLaw
    2.2 The ZPT will work to preserve OrgLaw to last for generations to come.

3. The Language of Talossa must be protected.
    3.1 The ZPT will promote the continue to develop the Talossan language in a proper and natural format.
    3.2 The ZPT will work to preserve a Classic Talossan for historic purpose with Old Spelling as originally constructed by its founder.

4. Defense of Talossan Culture is paramount to our existence as a nation.
    4.1 The ZPT will call for further Immigration reform to educate and protect Talossan ideals and cultivate a strong Talossan cultural movement.
    4.2 The ZPT recognizes Talossan culture is unique and survives on the creative backs of its citizens and as such must be promoted and properly supported.
    4.3 The ZPT will work to loosen the hangman's noose on current immigration process.

5. Our People and our King must be defended
    5.1 Talossans and our Immigrants must be properly educated and well versed with Talossa's rich history and lessons of our past.
    5.2 Our King and His Majesty's royal and historic position MUST be defended at all costs as the Kingdom of Talossa IS a Constitutional Monarchy and there is NO room for negotiation

[Ian Plätschisch]

Nov 15, 2019 8:50:49 GMT -6 Ieremiac'h Ventrutx said:

What is the ZPT?  The ZPT are the zealous Defenders of Talossa.
Join the hard working Zefençadeirs del Päts Talossan in a common
effort to defend our land, our law, our language, our culture, our
people and our King. 

Zealous? Hard-working? I'm sorry to say but you pretty much did nothing with your Senate seat for the entirety of the last term. I'm not upset that you voted against all of my bills (they passed anyway), but you never engaged in any debate. I would expect a zealous defender of Talossa to be a lot more vocal in their opposition to bills than that. The others on your candidate list are also lacking when it comes to the activity required to be considered zealous or hard-working.

2. The Kingdom of Talossa must protect our Organic Law.
    2.1 The ZPT will work to enforce existing OrgLaw
    2.2 The ZPT will work to preserve OrgLaw to last for generations to come.

These two points are actually much better achieved with the proposed amendment than without it. The current Organic Law is so disorganized and vague in places as to make it hard to enforce, and good luck preserving a document as tattered as our current OrgLaw is from decades of amendments. The proposed amendment simply cleans it all up with minimal change to the actual substance.

3. The Language of Talossa must be protected.
3.1 The ZPT will promote the continue to develop the Talossan language in a proper and natural format.
3.2 The ZPT will work to preserve a Classic Talossan for historic purpose with Old Spelling as originally constructed by its founder.

What use is it to preserve the language like that if no one uses it that way? The evolution of the language should be up to the speakers, just like with any other language.

4. Defense of Talossan Culture is paramount to our existence as a nation.
4.1 The ZPT will call for further Immigration reform to educate and protect Talossan ideals and cultivate a strong Talossan cultural movement.
4.2 The ZPT recognizes Talossan culture is unique and survives on the creative backs of its citizens and as such must be promoted and properly supported.
4.3 The ZPT will work to loosen the hangman's noose on current immigration process.

You are the one calling for more stringent immigration requirements; what is the hangman's noose of which you speak?

5. Our People and our King must be defended
5.1 Talossans and our Immigrants must be properly educated and well versed with Talossa's rich history and lessons of our past.
5.2 Our King and His Majesty's royal and historic position MUST be defended at all costs as the Kingdom of Talossa IS a Constitutional Monarchy and there is NO room for negotiation

Good luck achieving a new cultural movement if the King is never around to pump it up. The King has a unique capacity to actually do something like that, but he doesn't seem interested.

[Ieremiac'h Ventrutx]

Howdy Ian... The ZPT isn't simply about me, it is about the principle of standing up for what Talossa Means to Me... The ZPT is an opposition party, we are not trying to lead, simply to prevent the continued distortion of our law, our history, our culture, our King and our land. I vote ZPT because the status quo is not always correct. It isn't about creating a new cultural movement, it is about retaining the culture inside of the current political climate. I don't want what has happened to my beloved Talossa to be what is left to my Dandelions or the ruins of a once great society to fall in future generations.

Resistance is a matter of conscience.

[Eðo Grischun]

Nov 15, 2019 8:50:49 GMT -6 Ieremiac'h Ventrutx said:

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Driving that truck all the way to the extreme conservative right wing. No real surprises in this.

Like Ian, above, I also wonder how you reconcile relaxing the immigration process while simultaneously calling for more requirements. You haven't said it in black and white here, but I'm sure I remember that you support an entrance exam as part of the immigration process? You claim to want to loosen the hangman's noose while also saying you want to build a wall around the Kingdom to protect us from outsiders. It's a bit contradictory.

The Peculiar Nationalist Party's view is that Talossan citizenship should be available to anybody that wants it, regardless of their ability to speak the national language or their knowledge of Talossa's history or their level of cultural immersion. The only basic requirements that need to exist is the desire to become Talossan and agreement with the principles of Talossan society. Our immigration process should not contain burdens and hurdles, and 'the city walls' don't require gatekeepers.

[Ian Plätschisch]

Nov 15, 2019 9:21:50 GMT -6 Ieremiac'h Ventrutx said:

Howdy Ian... The ZPT isn't simply about me, it is about the principle of standing up for what Talossa Means to Me... The ZPT is an opposition party, we are not trying to lead, simply to prevent the continued distortion of our law, our history, our culture, our King and our land. I vote ZPT because the status quo is not always correct. It isn't about creating a new cultural movement, it is about retaining the culture inside of the current political climate. I don't want what has happened to my beloved Talossa to be what is left to my Dandelions or the ruins of a once great society to fall in future generations.

Resistance is a matter of conscience.

If we take the view that we cannot modify anything traditional, pretty soon we may find our inability to adapt has caused Talossa to shrivel. AMP is about doing what we can to save our institutions before we lose them for good.

Where were the now-members of the ZPT when other parties were trying to reduce the Monarchy to a figurehead or ditch it altogether? They were nowhere to be seen. I’ll tell you where I was; on the front lines, so to speak, vigorously defending (successfully) against these proposals.

If you, dear voter, truly care about preserving Talossa for the next generation, vote for the party with the ideas to make that happen. It appears the ZPT is more interested in “getting” people on the Talossan left.

[Ieremiac'h Ventrutx]

how you reconcile relaxing the immigration process while simultaneously calling for more requirements.

Howdy, glad to see a civil response Eddie!

   1. You are correct, I agree that there should be a test for entry. Does it need to involve a crazy burdensome thing? No but since being a Talossan should actually mean something perhaps we should make sure a basic understanding of who we are historically. Or we will forget it. Does it need to be a $20 book and a public test?   I don't think that is the solution either.

   2. We don’t need a sponsorship/buddy system kind of thing. Because in the recognition that we are a real people with a real nation of real laws and real culture with a real language, we should actually get to know a person. There are many ways to do this including social media and online but also in an open encouragement for the Hahx and actually being present in people’s lives both online and off.

We can simply use the very technology that is at our finger tips to allow people to study and learn “What Talossa means to me” It is worth the effort. We are Talossa. There should be some value in the “being” or becoming a Talossan.



Resistance is a matter of conscience.

[Ieremiac'h Ventrutx]

Ian Plätschisch said:

If we take the view that we cannot modify anything traditional, pretty soon we may find our inability to adapt has caused Talossa to shrivel.

I agree so to work on preserving the past at the same time working on the future. What if it wasn't about left or right it was just about a love for the Regipats Talossan that drove us to form common goals and common culture. It isn't about not modifying it, it is about adapting and retaining what we have sacrificed for in the past and working for Nation Building that we are engaged in, together.

Ian Plätschisch said:

Where were the now-members of the ZPT when other parties were trying to reduce the Monarchy to a figurehead or ditch it altogether?

Then how can we work together on this? Isn't that what being the opposition is all about?

I am here and have been, I stepped away when asked in the past to allow a smoother transition for the rest of the Republic back into Talossan life. I took that to heart and was about to give up hope, but then a bit of hope always remains for Talossa that she will see her own beauty and step back out of the shadows and into the light. Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps this match will fade as quickly as it lights... or maybe it will be the flame that ignites the hearts Talossans.


Note: And there are no members of the ZPT at this point, I listed candidates because I have to. As a Senator in Florencia have people I know I can trust to distribute any seats that the ZPT wins in this election. This is something that is disturbing to me that we can't be organic in our political party structure. How can one be grassroots when the system pours grass killer on everything.




Resistance is a matter of conscience.

[Eðo Grischun]

Nov 15, 2019 11:13:55 GMT -6 Ieremiac'h Ventrutx said:

Note: And there are no members of the ZPT at this point, I listed candidates because I have to. As a Senator in Florencia have people I know I can trust to distribute any seats that the ZPT wins in this election. This is something that is disturbing to me that we can't be organic in our political party structure. How can one be grassroots when the system pours grass killer on everything.

Let's be fair, JP. You registered the party at the end of the last election. You had the last 6 to 8 months to build on a grassroots movement under the ZPT banner. The system is not to blame for you not having a list of candidates. It's not a case of someone pouring grass killer on your garden, but more of a case of the gardener didn't show up to water the plants.

[Ieremiac'h Ventrutx]

Eðo Grischun said:

You registered the party at the end of the last election. You had the last 6 to 8 months to build on a grassroots movement under the ZPT banner. The system is not to blame for you not having a list of candidates. It's not a case of someone pouring grass killer on your garden, but more of a case of the gardener didn't show up to water the plants.

Perception. Position. Experience. Restriction. I tried to list the entire citizen list (I don't think this is illegal or limited at all in the election rules) but I was stopped. I don't think I was stopped because I couldn't do it, just that nobody has done it. Call it what you will, I used perhaps a flawed analogy of "grass killer."

One of the joys of Talossa is the surprise of politics and the ability of one person to start a party and have his own little corner of "the room." I honestly would state that my main intention in the beginning was to keep the zeal of madmax from grabbing the ZPT Party name and running with it as someone did with another party in the last election....

Have your objections been satisfied? I think there is still a lot we hold in common about this Kingdom.




Resistance is a matter of conscience.

[Ian Plätschisch]

Nov 16, 2019 10:47:20 GMT -6 Ieremiac'h Ventrutx said:

Eðo Grischun said:

You registered the party at the end of the last election. You had the last 6 to 8 months to build on a grassroots movement under the ZPT banner. The system is not to blame for you not having a list of candidates. It's not a case of someone pouring grass killer on your garden, but more of a case of the gardener didn't show up to water the plants.

Perception. Position. Experience. Restriction. I tried to list the entire citizen list (I don't think this is illegal or limited at all in the election rules) but I was stopped. I don't think I was stopped because I couldn't do it, just that nobody has done it. 

Something very similar was tried during the previous election and it did not go over well.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

I thought about doing the whole citizen list last term, too, and only stopped short because of the hassle. I did the whole sitting Cosa, instead. People objected because it made it seem like they endorsed the party, which was something that didn't occur to me (stupidly, in retrospect).

JP, you emailed me to ask if you could include me on your candidate list -- did Hool get back to you in time to agree? Just curious.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Nov 16, 2019 12:27:16 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

JP, you emailed me to ask if you could include me on your candidate list -- did Hool get back to you in time to agree? Just curious.

Wow, not doing much to disprove GV's argument

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Nov 15, 2019 8:50:49 GMT -6 Ieremiac'h Ventrutx said:

What is the ZPT?  The ZPT are the zealous Defenders of Talossa.
Join the hard working Zefençadeirs del Päts Talossan in a common
effort to defend our land, our law, our language, our culture, our
people and our King. 

VOTE ZPT - RESISTANCE IS A MATTER OF CONSCIENCE

Zefençadeirs del Päts Talossan
    - Pro Monarchy
    - Pro Organic Law
    - Pro Talossa
    - Pro Defense
    - Pro Culture

ZPT Planks
1. The Kingdom of Talossa must be defended from outsiders.
    1.1 The ZPT will work to preserve our national boundaries and our provincial designations pure and intact.
    1.2 The ZPT will work to prevent the abuse of the Talossan Territories
    1.3 The ZPT will work to promote the national presence in the Greater Milwaukee Area.

2. The Kingdom of Talossa must protect our Organic Law.
    2.1 The ZPT will work to enforce existing OrgLaw
    2.2 The ZPT will work to preserve OrgLaw to last for generations to come.

3. The Language of Talossa must be protected.
    3.1 The ZPT will promote the continue to develop the Talossan language in a proper and natural format.
    3.2 The ZPT will work to preserve a Classic Talossan for historic purpose with Old Spelling as originally constructed by its founder.

4. Defense of Talossan Culture is paramount to our existence as a nation.
    4.1 The ZPT will call for further Immigration reform to educate and protect Talossan ideals and cultivate a strong Talossan cultural movement.
    4.2 The ZPT recognizes Talossan culture is unique and survives on the creative backs of its citizens and as such must be promoted and properly supported.
    4.3 The ZPT will work to loosen the hangman's noose on current immigration process.

5. Our People and our King must be defended
    5.1 Talossans and our Immigrants must be properly educated and well versed with Talossa's rich history and lessons of our past.
    5.2 Our King and His Majesty's royal and historic position MUST be defended at all costs as the Kingdom of Talossa IS a Constitutional Monarchy and there is NO room for negotiation

I have said yesterday that upon reading this... manifesto (?), I felt so distraught, shattered, angry and disappointed that I had to coin a new word in Talossan, ämreçh, because I did not feel that any language accurately could reflect how I felt with one word. I was asked by our Seneschal to explain why I felt so strongly about this; fair enough, I should have done it much earlier but here goes:

General impression

The rhetoric in this statement is very startling in that it makes use of a lot of far-right and/or populist and/or reactionary stock phrases and tactics (“must be defended from outsiders”, “preserve our national boundaries”, “pure [provincial designations]”, “educate and protect Talossan ideals”, “MUST be defended at all costs [...] NO room for negotiation”, “resistance”). It just seems like an angry person feeling left out of the country and its progress, and wanting to turn back time to when things were happier for him (because maybe more of his chums were active?), and to hell with all the others who might have felt uncomfortable! PROTECT DEFEND RESIST PRESERVE. That would be quite a catchy battle cry, if it were not just so sad and upsetting.

About 1)
1.1: What are impure and non-intact provincial designations, and how exactly are we supposed to preserve national boundaries, if not just fictively? And, apart from the fact that some think we should not lay claim to any place, has any one political party voiced wishes to change the current borders?

1.2: What does “abuse of territory” constitute?

1.3: How do the ZPT plan on doing that, specifically?

About 2)
2.1: Is the existing Organic Law not being enforced?

2.2: Do the ZPT believe that an Organic Law should not be adapted and, from time to time, “cleared up” to streamline all added amendments?

About 3)

You speak of the proper and natural format, but then go on to speak of the very confusing, at times redundant, and most definitely never ever completely set-and-finalised Old Spelling (of which, as a consequence, there is a myriad). Do the ZPT have anyone with linguistic background that can actually achieve this? And how do you reconcile the reintroduction of some form of the Old Spelling with the desire for a natural format?

About 4)

4.1: What are the actual reforms you have in mind? Or is it just a buzzword you throw around?

4.2: And how do you plan on doing that? We have the University, which is called the Royal Society and is largely defunct/inactive, and we have the Ladintsch community. The CÚG is dead. Any bright ideas? And if so, where were the ZPT until now? Do they want to give ideas and further Talossa into a bright future only when it is in power? Does that, then, mean that they do not care about Talossa but for the power they could wield within its boundaries?

4.3: Again, is there   a n y t h i n g   specific that the ZPT/you propose?

About 5)

5.2: Why?

[E.S. Bornatfiglheu]

[Ieremiac'h Ventrutx]

Nov 16, 2019 12:27:16 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

I thought about doing the whole citizen list last term, too, and only stopped short because of the hassle. I did the whole sitting Cosa, instead. People objected because it made it seem like they endorsed the party, which was something that didn't occur to me (stupidly, in retrospect).

JP, you emailed me to ask if you could include me on your candidate list -- did Hool get back to you in time to agree? Just curious.

I remember the good days where a vote for a party could actually negotiate a seat at the table. No Lord Hooligan didn't get back to me but since I am a senator and can not receive the seats I needed people I could trust. To hand them out. I figured the most he would do was take it to the courts to get his name removed... but there is no reason I couldn't have listed all my dandelions except that well my girls voted their own minds after reading last year.