ZPT = RUMP by another name

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

If you want continued sclerotic obstruction for the sake of 'tradition', vote ZPT.

If you want real change for the better, vote FREEDEMS!

[Ieremiac'h Ventrutx]

The ZPT is older than the RUMP party, we are not your enemy Jeff... we are simply the opposition.

You may have made many changes but do I hear a hint of the bitterness and hate that represents Talossan politics as usual?  Thanks for the ZPT headline on Witt though, I appreciate it!



Resistance is a matter of conscience.

[Éovart Xhorxh]

count me in :-)

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

Nov 15, 2019 9:38:30 GMT -6 Ieremiac'h Ventrutx said:

The ZPT is older than the RUMP party, we are not your enemy Jeff... we are simply the opposition.

You may have made many changes but do I hear a hint of the bitterness and hate that represents Talossan politics as usual?  Thanks for the ZPT headline on Witt though, I appreciate it!



Resistance is a matter of conscience.

Glad to help out an old Talossan friend. ZPT needs all the help it can get. ;-) Now, all we need is for Xheralt Curga and Ken to come back to the ZPT, and it's just like old times! lol

[Ieremiac'h Ventrutx]

Nov 20, 2019 2:35:45 GMT -6 Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h said:

Glad to help out an old Talossan friend. ZPT needs all the help it can get. ;-) Now, all we need is for Xheralt Curga and Ken to come back to the ZPT, and it's just like old times! lol

We will take it! Gotta love Talossa to be here or we would all move to the UP eh?

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

"Shadow government"? Okay.

[Ian Plätschisch]

Nov 22, 2019 14:32:10 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

"Shadow government"? Okay.

I'm certainly no ZPT supporter, but surely he meant to say "shadow cabinet."

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Nov 22, 2019 14:59:45 GMT -6 Ian Plätschisch said:

Nov 22, 2019 14:32:10 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

"Shadow government"? Okay.

I'm certainly no ZPT supporter, but surely he meant to say "shadow cabinet."

I honestly don't know about that.

a) You can't have a shadow cabinet with only one person. I note certain ex-RUMPers who are desperate enough to publicly vote ZPT in the hope of seats, but I doubt the party will cease to be personal (or family) property.

b) Indulge me for a moment and imagine a group of Talossans who object to an OrgLaw reform (eg, a non-hereditary monarchy) so much that they do what KR1 did in 2005 and decide that this invalidates Talossa altogether, and start their own Talossa with blackjack, and hookers GOD SAVE THE KING as its central principle. "Shadow government" sounds like something they might call themselves.

Generally, I like to give my political opponents the credit of believing that they mean what they say on the campaign trail.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Nov 22, 2019 15:32:48 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Nov 22, 2019 14:59:45 GMT -6 Ian Plätschisch said:

I'm certainly no ZPT supporter, but surely he meant to say "shadow cabinet."

I honestly don't know about that.

a) You can't have a shadow cabinet with only one person. I note certain ex-RUMPers who are desperate enough to publicly vote ZPT in the hope of seats, but I doubt the party will cease to be personal (or family) property.

b) Indulge me for a moment and imagine a group of Talossans who object to an OrgLaw reform (eg, a non-hereditary monarchy) so much that they do what KR1 did in 2005 and decide that this invalidates Talossa altogether, and start their own Talossa with blackjack, and hookers GOD SAVE THE KING as its central principle. "Shadow government" sounds like something they might call themselves.

Generally, I like to give my political opponents the credit of believing that they mean what they say on the campaign trail.

Come on now... you're just trying for the most uncharitable interpretation, O ye former Shadow Minister of Culture. His meaning is clear.

[Eðo Grischun]

I'm fairly certain that JP chose to use the term shadow government on purpose. He is a smart guy with experience and full well knows what shadow cabinet means and understands the connotations conjured by using shadow government instead.

Look at the overall image he's creating for the ZPT: the purposefully crafted contradiction of a pro-monarchy resistance movement.

The ZPT are on the verge of becoming some kind of parody meme of themselves, and I don't think it's at all by accident. It's rather clever.

It's not necessarily nefarious. It probably doesn't have ulterior motive behind it. But, I'm sure the choice of words are completely intentional.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Nov 22, 2019 20:19:01 GMT -6 Eðo Grischun said:

Look at the overall image he's creating for the ZPT: the purposefully crafted contradiction of a pro-monarchy resistance movement.

To be fair, a "pro-monarchy resistance movement" makes sense if you're an arch-reactionary; even more so if you want a different monarch.

[Eðo Grischun]

Nov 22, 2019 21:23:36 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Nov 22, 2019 20:19:01 GMT -6 Eðo Grischun said:

Look at the overall image he's creating for the ZPT: the purposefully crafted contradiction of a pro-monarchy resistance movement.

To be fair, a "pro-monarchy resistance movement" makes sense if you're an arch-reactionary; even more so if you want a different monarch.

All interesting reading. Thanks for the links.

[Ieremiac'h Ventrutx]

Dude a shadow government ... How quickly we forget Talossan history eh? Perhaps the strongest argument yet to make a required history book reading and testing for people that have not lived in/through Talossa.

Resistance is a matter of conscience.