How do you 'sell' Talossa?

[Audrada Rôibeardét]

What do you tell people about Talossa? How do you create interest? What are your selling points? Have you had any success?

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Sept 12, 2019 16:46:54 GMT -6 Audrada Rôibeardét said:

What do you tell people about Talossa? How do you create interest? What are your selling points? Have you had any success?

Well, I got my ex-girlfriend into Talossa. Audradâ, do you remember Iensâ Ovéir? She was attracted specifically by the cultural aspects. She once helped me bake patriotic cookies for Calondâ Gün. I think she gave up over an argument with Sir Tamorán dal Navâ as to whether tigers were better than bears.

My now-wife knows about Talossa but I don't think my recent experiences in Talossa are a great advertisement for her. She'll often enter my office, see me grumbling and frantically tapping the keys and asks "Are the Talossans being naughty again?"

It's far too easy, unfortunately, to say: "the best way to sell Talossa is to play nice and have fun". Because everyone thinks their miéidâ don't stink - everyone blames those other guys for making Talossa mean and grim, while insisting they themselves are blameless.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

I used to tell people it was a fun way to experience parts of life they might never have a chance to explore, like getting involved with legislating, politics, and the media. I don't tell anyone about Talossa anymore, these days. The way some people behave would make me embarrass to be associated with it. The names and labels that some people throw around are so vile... A lot of people aren't going to pause to investigate the truth, they're just going to recoil, move on, and associate me with that.

I mean, Miestra compared me to a sexual predator... why ever would I want anyone I know to immigrate here?

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

I repeat:

everyone thinks their miéidâ don't stink - everyone blames those other guys for making Talossa mean and grim, while insisting they themselves are blameless.

It's absolutely true that

A lot of people aren't going to pause to investigate the truth, they're just going to recoil, move on, and associate me with that.

So, people who don't know any better will just read above "MIESTRÂ COMPARED ME TO A SEXUAL PREDATOR", and will recoil from that, what a horrible horrible person the Seneschál is, without pausing to investigate the context, i.e. that what I actually said was that AD is a master of DARVO tactics, which I stand by. What can you do when you call someone out for spite and slander, and they use it as proof that they themselves are the targets of spite and slander? .... actually, I call it DARVO.

It's remarkable that such a high proportion of AD's posts are complaining about how Talossa is horrible because I and people like me ruined it; and yet he keeps coming back. So either Talossa is still worth something; or AD thinks it can still be saved from the likes of me. And since he's quit politics, clearly the way he thinks it can be saved is if he keeps coming back to complain about how awful I am and how unfairly Saintly Sir AD has been treated, maybe eventually I'll... what is it you want, exactly, AD? For me to admit you're right, that I'm a bad person and I behave badly, to resign in shame, to quit Talossa, to tell you you were right all along? What?

BTW, can someone Thunderdome this post and the above? He's at it again.

[Ian Plätschisch]

I’m not going to Thunderdome these posts since they seem relevant to the initial question.

[Ian Plätschisch]

Subsequent posts were not contributing to the topic and were moved.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Sept 12, 2019 19:43:38 GMT -6 Ian Plätschisch said:

Subsequent posts were not contributing to the topic and were moved.

For the record, I object to you deciding who gets to make accusations that are not allowed to be answered. The Seneschal is trying to pretend that it's not toxic to act this way -- to say that I'm using the tactics of a sexual predator and other out-of-bounds accusations. Power shouldn't make you immune to criticism.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

to say that I'm using the tactics of a sexual predator

I heartily encourage everyone to read this essay on DARVO and tell me whether my characterisations of AD's arguments in these terms are accurate or not. Not to fall for the tactic of saying "Miestrâ says I do DARVO; sexual predators do DARVO; therefore Miestra is linking me with sex predators; therefore what she's saying can't be true."

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

As best I can tell, it means that you say that you're not the real bad guy, you're actually the victim. Which is kind of a more reasonable and neutral way to say it. Indeed, there's like a thousand different ways you could say that without invoking a technical term associated with sexual predators. You have done this same thing, Miestra, when you say that someone is recounting past events wrong, just like the fascists who rewrote history.

Is it conceivable you could make these points without these approaches?

Is it really so unbelievable that I might regard your comparison as grotesque and out-of-bounds? Or that I might decide that this sort of behavior makes Talossa a place I wouldn't want my wife, for example, to be?

[Audrada Rôibeardét]

Wow.

This took a hard turn.

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Stop hogging the thread for your quarrels, and play nice, you two. Can we now please get back to the original question, because I am interested in what others have to say, as well.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Good to see you again, Epic. Welcome back.

[Sir Tamorán dal Navâ]

Sept 12, 2019 17:01:32 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Sept 12, 2019 16:46:54 GMT -6 Audrada Rôibeardét said:

What do you tell people about Talossa? How do you create interest? What are your selling points? Have you had any success?

Well, I got my ex-girlfriend into Talossa. Audradâ, do you remember Iensâ Ovéir? She was attracted specifically by the cultural aspects. She once helped me bake patriotic cookies for Calondâ Gün. I think she gave up over an argument with Sir Tamorán dal Navâ as to whether tigers were better than bears.

But tigers are better than bears!

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

Sept 12, 2019 17:05:13 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

I used to tell people it was a fun way to experience parts of life they might never have a chance to explore, like getting involved with legislating, politics, and the media. I don't tell anyone about Talossa anymore, these days. The way some people behave would make me embarrass to be associated with it. The names and labels that some people throw around are so vile... A lot of people aren't going to pause to investigate the truth, they're just going to recoil, move on, and associate me with that.

I mean, Miestra compared me to a sexual predator... why ever would I want anyone I know to immigrate here?

Link, please?

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

You really want to revive this 3 month old argument?

Edit: you can find the link in this thread if you read it.