Post by Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on May 20, 2017 17:44:37 GMT -6
I'm sick and tired of this situation which our beautiful language unfortunately finds itself in for some amount of time: the tohubohu regarding spelling, the inactivity of the CÚG (the only body that can officially introduce new words to the Treisour!!) and the country in general, the grotesque violation of grammatical standards -- and not even surprisingly by the two most active glheþ enthusiasts... Against my earlier beliefs, this situation seems to worsen instead of the reverse! For whatever reason, the grammar can be changed by you, me and everyone else while the vocabulary must be amended – although never more than once a year – by an exclusionary club in an antiquated ritual... shouldn't it be vice versa? Of course, this is only my personal opinion, so feel free to ignore it.
On a different note, I've worked on another way of at least healing the spelling split which is better than what I proposed in late December because it represents both main “dialects”. After almost 10 years, it’s way too late to kill either “dialect”, so that’s what we’re stuck with.
Take the post-2012 “Kingdom” spelling and apply the following changes; first off, the easy ones:
1: only for feminine nouns and adjectives and other parts of speech derived from feminine nouns and adjectives, e.g. tzară > Tzarătütsch, solă > solămint
2: only when /ə/ is stressed at some point in the “Republic” pronunciation, e.g. ådulëscharh /ɒduləˈʃaʃ/ because o ådulëscha /u ɒduˈləʃə/, but duratzie /duˈrat͡siə/
I have no justification for proposing gñh, it’s just a personal preference.
Now, the circumflexed “yery” vowels:
1: only when not immediately followed by a nasal, e.g. impîrtint /ɨmpɨrtɨnt/
2: in the following words, û are pronounced /y/ in the “Kingdom” and /ɨ/ in the “Republic” pronunciation: ausûrd, adûlt, apûntarh, bûltescu, profûndità, pûnt “POINT (DOT)”, pûntürarh and all words derived from them. Meanwhile, it is are pronounced /u/ in the “Kingdom” and /ʌ/ in the “Republic” pronunciation the following words: fûn, lûd, pût, rûgbi, rûm, scûncararh, slûts and additionally the (deprecated?) prefix ûn-. In all other cases, it’s pronounced /u/ in the “Kingdom” and /ɨ/ in the “Republic” pronunciation. It’s a bit complicated, but there’s no satisfying way around it.
Additionally, if a vowel with an umlaut is to be stress-marked, the umlaut is replaces with a tilde (ä > ã, ë > ẽ, etc).
And now comes the shocker: none of these diacritics are optional (except maybe gñh, convince me). I believe that the decision by Lord Hooligan of calling pre-2007 diacritics “optional beauty marks” was – for lack of a better term – stupid beyond belief and hurt the cause more than it helped. Therefore, the goal of this proposal is that every uma – regardless of their preferred “dialect” – uses the same orthography, from which the preferred pronunciation can be determined with relative ease. Yes, this means that writing becomes a tad more annoying, since you are expected to add information that may be irrelevant in your preferred “dialect”, but this is how it’s being done in written Welsh, Breton and Cornish with great success.
So. What do you think, Talossa? Feel free to comment and suggest things.
(The reason why I posted this on Witt instead of the CÚG’s Yahoo group is that is more public here.)
On a different note, I've worked on another way of at least healing the spelling split which is better than what I proposed in late December because it represents both main “dialects”. After almost 10 years, it’s way too late to kill either “dialect”, so that’s what we’re stuck with.
Take the post-2012 “Kingdom” spelling and apply the following changes; first off, the easy ones:
| Proposed Spelling | "Kingdom" pronunciation | "Republic" pronunciation |
| å | /a/ | /ɒ/ |
| ă1 | /ə/ | /ə/ |
| ë2 | /e/ | /ə/ |
| gñh | /ɲ/ | /ɲ/ |
1: only for feminine nouns and adjectives and other parts of speech derived from feminine nouns and adjectives, e.g. tzară > Tzarătütsch, solă > solămint
2: only when /ə/ is stressed at some point in the “Republic” pronunciation, e.g. ådulëscharh /ɒduləˈʃaʃ/ because o ådulëscha /u ɒduˈləʃə/, but duratzie /duˈrat͡siə/
I have no justification for proposing gñh, it’s just a personal preference.
Now, the circumflexed “yery” vowels:
| Proposed spelling | “Kingdom” pronunciation | “Republic” pronunciation |
| â | /a/ | /ɨ/ |
| ê | /e/ | /ɨ/ |
| êi | /ei/ | /ɨ/ |
| î1 | /i/ | /ɨ/ |
| ô | /o/ | /ɨ/ |
| û2 | /u/ | /ɨ/ |
| û2 | /y/ | /ɨ/ |
| û2 | /u/ | /ʌ/ |
1: only when not immediately followed by a nasal, e.g. impîrtint /ɨmpɨrtɨnt/
2: in the following words, û are pronounced /y/ in the “Kingdom” and /ɨ/ in the “Republic” pronunciation: ausûrd, adûlt, apûntarh, bûltescu, profûndità, pûnt “POINT (DOT)”, pûntürarh and all words derived from them. Meanwhile, it is are pronounced /u/ in the “Kingdom” and /ʌ/ in the “Republic” pronunciation the following words: fûn, lûd, pût, rûgbi, rûm, scûncararh, slûts and additionally the (deprecated?) prefix ûn-. In all other cases, it’s pronounced /u/ in the “Kingdom” and /ɨ/ in the “Republic” pronunciation. It’s a bit complicated, but there’s no satisfying way around it.
Additionally, if a vowel with an umlaut is to be stress-marked, the umlaut is replaces with a tilde (ä > ã, ë > ẽ, etc).
And now comes the shocker: none of these diacritics are optional (except maybe gñh, convince me). I believe that the decision by Lord Hooligan of calling pre-2007 diacritics “optional beauty marks” was – for lack of a better term – stupid beyond belief and hurt the cause more than it helped. Therefore, the goal of this proposal is that every uma – regardless of their preferred “dialect” – uses the same orthography, from which the preferred pronunciation can be determined with relative ease. Yes, this means that writing becomes a tad more annoying, since you are expected to add information that may be irrelevant in your preferred “dialect”, but this is how it’s being done in written Welsh, Breton and Cornish with great success.
So. What do you think, Talossa? Feel free to comment and suggest things.
(The reason why I posted this on Witt instead of the CÚG’s Yahoo group is that is more public here.)
