An OrgLaw amendment I wish weren't necessary

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

THE ORGANIC LAW AMENDMENT (Amendments (I Can't Believe This Is Still Ambiguous But Apparently It Is)) BILL

WHEREAS it seemed clear that the decision of the Cort pü Înalt in April 2016 which resolved the "Proclamation Crisis" and the subsequent adoption of the current text of Article XV of the OrgLaw had sorted out whether an Organic Law amendment must be "proclaimed" or "promulgated" to take effect;

and WHEREAS a recently withdrawn lawsuit, and the orders made by one CpI justice in the course of that lawsuit, and the subsequent ill-tempered threads on Wittenberg have shown that the above is surely not the case;

and WHEREAS this sort of tomfoolery should never happen again:

BE IT ENACTED by the King, Cosâ and Senäts of Talossa in Ziu assented and by the consent of the people in referendum that the text of Article XV, Section 4 of the Organic Law be amended by the addition of the following underlined text:

After approval by the Ziu in accordance with the preceding sections, a proposed amendment shall be submitted to the people in a referendum. If the King objected to the proposed amendment under the preceding section, a statement of his objections not exceeding one hundred and fifty words shall be provided to the people along with the proposed amendment. The amendment shall take effect, and the King shall promulgate the amendment as part of this Organic Law, if it is approved by a majority of voters participating in a referendum on the question of the amendment no later than during the next scheduled general election following the approval of the Ziu, except as provided in the following sections.

Uréu q'estadra så:
Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN, MC
Senatôr Lüc da Schir
Senatôr M. Epiqeu da Lhiun
Ián Plätschisch, MC
Mximo Carbonél, MC

[Lüc da Schir]

Big cosponsor, please. We should probably have done it way earlier, as apparently CpI rulings are tossed into oblivion by way too many people who should have been aware of them.

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Ditto, please, thanks.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Would it be an idea to expand this so it also includes stuff like
-if the King doesnt dissolve the Cosa, it will dissolve itself
-if the King doesnt appoint someone on the recommendation of the PM, that person will be considered appointed
etc? (I don't know what else the King is required to do that may still have consequences if he doesn't, but I'm guessing there may be more.)

[Ian Plätschisch]

Please add me as a cosponsor.

[Lüc da Schir]

Feb 12, 2017 7:13:41 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

Would it be an idea to expand this so it also includes stuff like
-if the King doesnt dissolve the Cosa, it will dissolve itself
-if the King doesnt appoint someone on the recommendation of the PM, that person will be considered appointed
etc? (I don't know what else the King is required to do that may still have consequences if he doesn't, but I'm guessing there may be more.)

I think the first one is already law (or was it vetoed/not passed?). So basically you're proposing with the second point to automatically appoint anyone that normally is to be appointed "by the King with the advice and consent" or after a couple of days?

[Glüc da Dhi]

I dont think that passed.
A lot of appointments (like ministers) don't really require advice and consent right? The King must appoint them, just like he must proclaim amendments.
My point is that everytime when the King doesn't do something he is required to do, it should automatically happen.

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

I agree, but here is the point:

What use is having a King, and allocating duties to that King, if stuff is going to happen anyway; whether s/he does it, or not?

[Ian Plätschisch]

Feb 12, 2017 9:32:16 GMT -6 Lüc da Schir said:

Feb 12, 2017 7:13:41 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

Would it be an idea to expand this so it also includes stuff like
-if the King doesnt dissolve the Cosa, it will dissolve itself
-if the King doesnt appoint someone on the recommendation of the PM, that person will be considered appointed
etc? (I don't know what else the King is required to do that may still have consequences if he doesn't, but I'm guessing there may be more.)

I think the first one is already law (or was it vetoed/not passed?). So basically you're proposing with the second point to automatically appoint anyone that normally is to be appointed "by the King with the advice and consent" or after a couple of days?

I proposed "The Tardiness Mitigation Amendment" in response to the delay caused by the failure of the King to dissolve the 48th Cosa in time, but I never Clarked it.

[Ian Plätschisch]

Feb 12, 2017 10:21:00 GMT -6 Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun said:

I agree, but here is the point:

What use is having a King, and allocating duties to that King, if stuff is going to happen anyway; whether s/he does it, or not?

I am personally a fan of pomp, and if we ever had an active King, allowing him to do things would be great for generating pomp.  However, since we currently have a King who is almost never active, we have to make sure the government can function without him.

[Viteu Marcianüs]

Feb 12, 2017 10:21:00 GMT -6 Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun said:

I agree, but here is the point:

What use is having a King, and allocating duties to that King, if stuff is going to happen anyway; whether s/he does it, or not?

What use is there in having a democracy if an unelected official not subject to any barometer to measure the consent of those governed can prevent the Government from functioning? Why are we continuing to pollute our national identity with this false notion of a so-called "constitutional" monarch? 

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Well, everyone knows what I think about what the point of having a King is (none) and what powers they should have (approaching zero).

If Glüc wants to write up his suggested additions I will consider them, but I suggest he check out my other suggested OrgLaw amendment on "nonfeasance".

[Glüc da Dhi]

I did. I'm less interested in punishment than in making sure we can move on, but I think I will support it.

[Colonel Mximo Carbonèl]

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