Gaglhen Fortaleça
Citizen of Talossa
Glory to the Proletariat
Posts: 394
Talossan Since: 4-23-2015
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Post by Gaglhen Fortaleça on Aug 21, 2015 8:18:44 GMT -6
Obviously he isn't, prime example: the very same proclamation crisis we are trying to resolve!
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
Posts: 9,636
Talossan Since: 8-13-2005
Knight Since: 7-28-2007
Motto: Nonnisi Deo serviendum
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 21, 2015 8:23:09 GMT -6
Obviously he isn't, prime example: the very same proclamation crisis we are trying to resolve! Once again, what does the King's refusal to proclaim 47RZ28 have to do with partisan politics? Which party opposed that amendment? Which party called upon him to refuse to proclaim it, or applauded his action?
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Gaglhen Fortaleça
Citizen of Talossa
Glory to the Proletariat
Posts: 394
Talossan Since: 4-23-2015
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Post by Gaglhen Fortaleça on Aug 21, 2015 9:07:48 GMT -6
If the king has the power to meddle in partisan politics that ALONE should steer us away from monarchical powers
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Post by Françal Ian Lux on Aug 21, 2015 9:18:59 GMT -6
I will support this bill for one very specific reason, it's needed. We've been down this road before with the Democratic Amendment, and sadly that failed.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Aug 21, 2015 10:32:48 GMT -6
If the king has the power to meddle in partisan politics that ALONE should steer us away from monarchical powers The whole point is that he isn't elected... he's insulated from partisan politics, particularly these days with the reforms instituted nine years ago. That can be invaluable, particularly in a country that can otherwise wholly shift in character in a matter of a year or two. But again, this discussion about whether to continue with our fundamental form of government might be a bit outside our scope. I paged you here to comment on the bill at hand. Let's not go completely off the rails.
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Gaglhen Fortaleça
Citizen of Talossa
Glory to the Proletariat
Posts: 394
Talossan Since: 4-23-2015
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Post by Gaglhen Fortaleça on Aug 21, 2015 12:26:18 GMT -6
*Mumbles* fiiiine
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Aug 21, 2015 12:55:51 GMT -6
So what do you think? Are there any changes in language or anything that would improve the bill?
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Aug 21, 2015 15:48:21 GMT -6
I used Sir Cresti's language. It is essentially what I wrote, only less confusing. I hope to get better at wording eventually, thanks for the help.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Aug 21, 2015 16:01:30 GMT -6
Any particular reason, why bills changing the Senäts should not have the same requirement?
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Aug 21, 2015 16:25:17 GMT -6
Huh. Good point. If most people agree I will add it back in
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Aug 21, 2015 16:30:32 GMT -6
Amendments to the Organic Law may be proposed by two-thirds of the Cosa with approval of the Senäts. Approval of the Senäts shall be by simple majority, except that amendments to this article, amendments to the articles regarding election to and composition of the Senäts, and amendments to the article regarding territorial subdivisions require approval of two-thirds of the Senäts.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Aug 21, 2015 16:41:19 GMT -6
Whoops! I promise I did read it before using it!
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Talossan Since: 8-13-2005
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 21, 2015 16:43:37 GMT -6
It is a little confusing, but the distinction is that XV:2 deals with OrgLaw amendments while V:10 deals with ordinary bills. The number of provinces and creation of new provinces are handled by statute, not in the OrgLaw.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
Posts: 9,636
Talossan Since: 8-13-2005
Knight Since: 7-28-2007
Motto: Nonnisi Deo serviendum
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 21, 2015 17:11:00 GMT -6
The number of provinces and creation of new provinces are handled by statute, not in the OrgLaw. Which, come to think of it, is pretty darn weird. But that's a matter for another day.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Aug 22, 2015 8:53:30 GMT -6
I am officially lost here.
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