King John
King of Talossa
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Post by King John on Jun 3, 2015 10:06:01 GMT -6
The TIME BOMB AMENDMENT
WHEREAS the Organic Law specifies no time period within which the King must act to proclaim (or refrain from proclaiming) an approved Amendment, and
WHEREAS it is desirable that the status of an Amendment passed by the Ziu and referendum be known within a reasonable time, and
WHEREAS we do not want to allow the Crown to be able to "sit" on an Amendment indefinitely, in order to proclaim it (or not) at some future time,
THEREFORE the Ziu hereby approves this Amendment to the Organic Law, and transmits it to the nation for ratification:
A second sentence shall be added to Article XV Section 1 of the Organic Law, reading:
Uréu q'estadra så
John Regeu
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 3, 2015 10:07:34 GMT -6
Would this, according to your interpretation, mean the King could still refuse to proclaim an amendment and would doing that count as taking action?
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King John
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Post by King John on Jun 3, 2015 10:13:09 GMT -6
Yes, certainly. Perhaps that should be in the language of the Amendment itself, replacing "take action" with something like "fail either the proclaim or to announce his intention not to proclaim". The idea is simply to require the Crown to act quickly, not to keep Amendments in the royal pocket as it were.
I had thought of simply changing the language of the first sentence to say that the authorization itself lasts only for two weeks (or something), but I think the default should be that it takes effect. The Crown shouldn't be able to block legislation or Amendment by simple inaction. (Or so I think.)
— John R
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Glüc da Dhi
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 3, 2015 10:15:47 GMT -6
Then I would urge the newly elected members of the Ziu not to make the strategic mistake of supporting this. It's a distraction. It solve a problem, but it's a way to avoid solving the problem.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 3, 2015 10:43:43 GMT -6
It is an entirely separate matter, and fixing this problem has nothing to do with how we fix the other.
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Glüc da Dhi
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 3, 2015 10:46:28 GMT -6
It would require amendmending the same clause in a different way though.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jun 3, 2015 10:47:28 GMT -6
One minor problem with this bill is accounting for the election validation process. What if it takes longer than fifteen days to validate election results, and there is a close vote on a referendum? Thirty days would be safer than fifteen.
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King John
King of Talossa
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Post by King John on Jun 3, 2015 11:09:56 GMT -6
Good point, Sir Cresti. Maybe 15 days from the certification of the election results?
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 3, 2015 11:18:18 GMT -6
It would require amendmending the same clause in a different way though. It picks out one specific sentence, so that doesn't seem like a problem to me. Honestly, it looks like His Majesty just spotted an unintended flaw and is hoppering a bill specifically to fix it; it doesn't look like it would interfere with any other attempts.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jun 3, 2015 20:26:34 GMT -6
Doesn't the Democratic Amendment fix this problem as well as the problem most people are actually concerned about right now?
Here is the language from the proposed Democratic Amendment:
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