The Democratic Amendment

[Sevastáin Pinátsch]

Whereas the current wording of the OrgLaw is interpreted by different people in different ways, and

Whereas amendments to the OrgLaw have been approved by a majority of both houses of the Ziu, including at least a 2/3rds majority of the Cosa and by the people of Talossa in a referendum, and

Whereas the King should not have the power to effectively permanently veto these amendments, and

Whereas granting the King this power would render much of Talossas vibrant ideological discussions irrelevant, now

Therefore Article XV, Section 1 of the Organic Law, which currently reads:

"An amendment to the Organic Law may be made by proclamation by the King where so authorized by:

* A vote of two-thirds in both chambers of the Ziu, and

* Approval of the majority of voters participating in a referendum on the question of the amendment no later than during the next scheduled general election following the approval of the Ziu.

* Proposed changes to this Organic Law that affect the representation of a province in the Senäts, or of the territory or equal sovereignty of a province, shall only be passed with the approval of a majority of participating voters in that province.", will be amended to read:

"An amendment to the Organic Law shall be made by proclamation by the King where so authorized by:

* A vote of two-thirds in both chambers of the Ziu, and

* Approval of the majority of voters participating in a referendum on the question of the amendment no later than during the next scheduled general election following the approval of the Ziu.

* Proposed changes to this Organic Law that affect the representation of a province in the Senäts, or of the territory or equal sovereignty of a province, shall only be passed with the approval of a majority of participating voters in that province.

* If the King does not make such a proclamation within two weeks of the amendment being authorised, the amendment to the OrgLaw will be considered in effect and the OrgLaw accordingly amended.

* In accordance with Article X, Section 6 of the OrgLaw, the King retains the right to reject an amendment that has been approved by the Cosa and the Senäts before its ratification by referendum."
 
Noi urent q’estadra så:
Sevastáin Pinátsch, Senator for Atatûrk
Marti-Pair Furxheir, Secretary of State
Lüc da Schir, Senator for Benito
C. Carlüs Xheraltescù (MC-elect FREEDEM)
Galen Zavala-Sherby (MC-elect TSP)
Ian Plätschisch (MC-elect MRPT)

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Well, I'll vote for it, but if John just refuses to proclaim it again...

[Eðo Grischun]

This is exactly the solution.

This has my vote.

Jun 2, 2015 19:40:35 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Well, I'll vote for it, but if John just refuses to proclaim it again...

He won't.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

I'll take that bet. Dude's just "defending the Royal perogatives", remember? He says elsewhere that he thinks it fair for the King to have an un-overridable veto over OrgLaw changes. How can you explain away what he is saying with his own mouth?

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

Jun 2, 2015 19:40:35 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Well, I'll vote for it, but if John just refuses to proclaim it again...

If John wishes to keep his crown, he'll let this one pass. :-) If he refuses, he will have a constitutional revolution on his hands.

[Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H.]

You can count me as a co-sponsor if you wish so.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Can we include something which requires us to hold a referendum on this prior to the next election?

[Sevastáin Pinátsch]

Jun 3, 2015 3:23:44 GMT -6 Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. said:

You can count me as a co-sponsor if you wish so.

Done!

[Sevastáin Pinátsch]

Jun 3, 2015 3:46:04 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

Can we include something which requires us to hold a referendum on this prior to the next election?

Yes, though I won't have the time and energy to write any mods today. Pretty ill, and heading back to bed. I can add later, if you've got some text for me.

[Lüc da Schir]

I would like to cosponsor this amendment as well.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Jun 3, 2015 4:03:58 GMT -6 Sevastáin Pinátsch said:

Jun 3, 2015 3:46:04 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

Can we include something which requires us to hold a referendum on this prior to the next election?

Yes, though I won't have the time and energy to write any mods today. Pretty ill, and heading back to bed. I can add later, if you've got some text for me.

I'll come up with something and send it to you.

I'd also like to co-sponsor, though I'm not so sure MCs can right now since seats haven't been assigned and the previous Cosa was dissolved.

[Gaglhen Fortaleça]

Is the TSP allowed to give this its full backing or something of the sort?

[Vit Caçeir]

Jun 3, 2015 4:53:53 GMT -6 Gaglhen Fortaleça said:

Is the TSP allowed to give this its full backing or something of the sort?

You can personally request that the bill's chief sponsor add you as a co-sponsor; as you're the party leader, that'd effectively function as a demonstration of partywide support.

The two pinned posts at the top of this sub forum: "Legislating in the Ziu" and "For Our New MCs" (or whatever) do a pretty good job out outlining the cans, can'ts, why's, and hows in the legislature.

[Munditenens Tresplet]

Jun 3, 2015 4:08:06 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

Jun 3, 2015 4:03:58 GMT -6 Sevastáin Pinátsch said:

Yes, though I won't have the time and energy to write any mods today. Pretty ill, and heading back to bed. I can add later, if you've got some text for me.

I'll come up with something and send it to you.

If we have an early election for this referendum, I wonder if it would be possible to also have an early election for all other referenda that is able to be considered at the same time. It would save time and ease confusion during the next General Election.

[King John]

If someone were to propose Amending the OrgLaw to reduce the powers of the Senate, or even to abolish the Senate entirely, the Senate could absolutely block that proposal.

If someone were to propose Amending the OrgLaw to reduce the powers of the Cosa, or even to abolish the Cosa entirely, the Cosa could absolutely block that proposal.

But if someone proposes Amending the OrgLaw to reduce the powers of the Crown, the Crown is supposed to be entirely unable to protect itself?