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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 2, 2015 8:12:40 GMT -6
I don't suppose anyone's heard from the Scribe, and whether or not he's going to get caught up on the last few Clarks and the recent referenda that were just passed?
I'll at least do the referenda, so the laws remain correct, I guess.
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Glüc da Dhi
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 2, 2015 8:26:41 GMT -6
Will there be some kind of announcement about which citizens have lost their citizenship due to not voting the last two years?
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jun 2, 2015 8:31:55 GMT -6
When I voted, I just wrote "Party Vote: MRPT" and expected it to count both nationally and provincially, but the database says I abstained on the provincial vote. Can this be fixed? Sadly, as far as I know, if you don't mention the province explicitly, it's not counted. If I am wrong, I can fix it. But I need confirmation.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jun 2, 2015 8:33:00 GMT -6
I'm beginning to think that it would be wise to at least keep some sort of party fee. If everyone can just claim a party without cost, strange things could happen. BenArd could for example just register both votes separately and get 4 seats instead of 3. Imagine if I would just register the Harry Potter party, the House Stark party, the Dutch citizens party, The Rammstein party, the I love dogs party, and a 100 other parties, just to try and get one or two seats from many obscure demographics and add them to the party I support. Also a possible reason why we should make cosa seats worth more than 1 vote. (Though on the other hand I still think 20 seats would be too little. Much of the dynamic of the Cosa, between parties and within parties themselves would be gone if we did that.) Don'T get me wrong... to claim their seat, they need to pay the $20, like Nicholas Hayes did. Ben Ard will need to both register with the Chancery and pay the $20 fee.
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 2, 2015 8:34:17 GMT -6
I'm beginning to think that it would be wise to at least keep some sort of party fee. If everyone can just claim a party without cost, strange things could happen. BenArd could for example just register both votes separately and get 4 seats instead of 3. Imagine if I would just register the Harry Potter party, the House Stark party, the Dutch citizens party, The Rammstein party, the I love dogs party, and a 100 other parties, just to try and get one or two seats from many obscure demographics and add them to the party I support. Also a possible reason why we should make cosa seats worth more than 1 vote. (Though on the other hand I still think 20 seats would be too little. Much of the dynamic of the Cosa, between parties and within parties themselves would be gone if we did that.) Don'T get me wrong... to claim their seat, they need to pay the $20, like Nicholas Hayes did. Ben Ard will need to both register with the Chancery and pay the $20 fee. I know, I was just speculating about what might happen if we would remove the fee completely.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jun 2, 2015 8:53:16 GMT -6
I generally don't like that parties can register in the middle of an election. In my opinion, voters should know as soon as the election begins who they can vote for, especially since people can't change their vote afterwards.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jun 2, 2015 10:00:09 GMT -6
I generally don't like that parties can register in the middle of an election. In my opinion, voters should know as soon as the election begins who they can vote for, especially since people can't change their vote afterwards. Then we need to stop write-in parties...
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jun 2, 2015 10:20:42 GMT -6
Yep.
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Jun 2, 2015 12:13:54 GMT -6
*sighs* And either introduce some kind of threshold or decrease the size of the Cosa.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jun 2, 2015 13:41:23 GMT -6
*sighs* And either introduce some kind of threshold or decrease the size of the Cosa. I REALLY, REALLY don't like thesholds, since that means that those votes are LOST, and yet, would have otherwise qualified for a seat or two. We could just go back to RC20, Real Cosa 20, where we have 20 Cosa members, each with a single seat and that way, if we get 125 votes in the next election, one would need approximately 6 votes to have a seat. If RC20 was in place today, we would get: RUMP: 7 seats FreeDem: 5 seats MRPT: 4 seats PP: 1 seat TSP: 2 seats NICOLAS HAYES: 1 seat Ben Ard: 0 seats Why those numbers? The basis is: RUMP: 6 seats FreeDem: 4 seats MRPT: 4 seats PP: 1 seat TSP: 1 seats NICOLAS HAYES: 0 seat Ben Ard: 0 seats For a total of : 16 seats. To fill the remaining 3 seats, we take the parties which are the closest to getting another seat. The RUMP had 6.772 seats and is the closest to another one, so they go up to 7. The Freedem had 4,724 seats and is the 2nd closest, so they go up to 5. Nicholas Hayes had 0.630 seats and is the 3rd cloest, so he gets his only seat. The TSP, with 1.575 seats is the final recipient of another seat. The MRPT has 4.567 seats and was only 0.008 from another seat, but sadly, that would be the 21st seat... In order to get it's only seat, NICOLAS had to get 4 votes. If he had gotten 3 votes, the MRPT would have gotten the 4th seat instead (and the TSP gotten the 3rd seat) Now, here is the interesting part of RC20: Will the RUMP find 7 Cosa members willing to serve and who are NOT Senators? RC20 has a built in pocket vote protection since a small party with a lot of pocket votes (and I am not saying the RUMP has pocket votes), need a lot of Cosa members to fill the ranks...
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Jun 2, 2015 14:05:37 GMT -6
A Real Cosa would probably need some other kind of apportionment method rather than our current pure proportional, like Largest Remainder-Hare.
The results would then be: (Hare Quota: 127 seats/20 votes = 6,35)
RUMP: 6 seats, .77 remainder FreeDems: 4 seats, .72 remainder Hayes: 0 seats, .62 remainder Socialists: 1 seat, .57 remainder MRPT: 4 seats, .56 remainder PP: 1 seat, .41 remainder Ardpresteir: 0 seat, .31 remainder
This allocates 16 seats, so the four parties with the largest remainder get one extra seat: RUMP 7 seats FreeDems 5 seats MRPT 4 seats Socialists 2 seats PP 1 seat Hayes 1 seat
Ardpresteir 0 seats
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 2, 2015 14:07:19 GMT -6
Eeh, those numbers are exactly the same
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jun 2, 2015 14:14:36 GMT -6
A Real Cosa would probably need some other kind of apportionment method rather than our current pure proportional, like Largest Remainder-Hare. The results would then be: (Hare Quota: 127 seats/20 votes = 6,35) RUMP: 6 seats, .77 remainder FreeDems: 4 seats, .72 remainder Hayes: 0 seats, .62 remainder Socialists: 1 seat, .57 remainder MRPT: 4 seats, .56 remainder PP: 1 seat, .41 remainder Ardpresteir: 0 seat, .31 remainder This allocates 16 seats, so the four parties with the largest remainder get one extra seat: RUMP 7 seats FreeDems 5 seats MRPT 4 seats Socialists 2 seats PP 1 seat Hayes 1 seat Ardpresteir 0 seats You and I arrived to the same result... I fail to see the difference...
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 2, 2015 14:18:00 GMT -6
I don't suppose anyone's heard from the Scribe, and whether or not he's going to get caught up on the last few Clarks and the recent referenda that were just passed? I'll at least do the referenda, so the laws remain correct, I guess. The Scribe of Abbavilla is overloaded and is seeking to be replaced ASAP. But we'll have to wait for the new government to do that unless it's an emergency.
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Jun 2, 2015 14:30:34 GMT -6
A Real Cosa would probably need some other kind of apportionment method rather than our current pure proportional, like Largest Remainder-Hare. The results would then be: (Hare Quota: 127 seats/20 votes = 6,35) RUMP: 6 seats, .77 remainder FreeDems: 4 seats, .72 remainder Hayes: 0 seats, .62 remainder Socialists: 1 seat, .57 remainder MRPT: 4 seats, .56 remainder PP: 1 seat, .41 remainder Ardpresteir: 0 seat, .31 remainder This allocates 16 seats, so the four parties with the largest remainder get one extra seat: RUMP 7 seats FreeDems 5 seats MRPT 4 seats Socialists 2 seats PP 1 seat Hayes 1 seat Ardpresteir 0 seats You and I arrived to the same result... I fail to see the difference... The difference is the method we used to get to those numbers. You used a modified proportional, I used Hare-Niemeyer which is actually something that exists. If we were to write a new electoral law, I'd rather write "The seats are apportioned using Hare-Niemeyer" than "The seats are apportioned using a proportional-something".
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