3rd Clark , 46th Cosa :RZ11 - The Humanity Is For Everyone

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Anyone wish to open the conversation?

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

I will be voting NON on this Amendment.

I am doing so because of this section:

"Every person has the right to peaceful assembly, whether in private facilities or in the open air, provided that such assembly neither disrupts traffic or legal commercial activity, nor unduly inconveniences people. Every person has the right to freely organise any kinds of organisations, subject to their own laws of membership, and this right may not be abridged except with regards to organisations which advocate the use of violence or intimidation to attain political or other ends, or which seek to restrain any person or group of people from the exercise of their rights as granted under these Covenants, or organisations that are otherwise anti-organic. However, political parties may only be registered and headed by Talossan citizens, in order to preserve the political power vested in the people of Talossa. Notwithstanding this limitation for the political parties, political parties are subject to their own laws of membership."


I am against non-citizens creating political organizations that can, and will, attempt to lobby or influence the Ziu.

My reason is simply, they have no vested interest in the Kingdom, because they are not members of the Kingdom. Passing of this Amendment will allow people that have no true concern about the future of the Kingdom, to advocate their special interests.

If one wishes to create an organization to advocate a change in the Kingdom - then require them to be a Citizen first.

We do not need to grant the privilege and rights of Citizenship ( shy of actually voting) to those that have no interest in becoming Citizens.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

I would like to heartily disagree with my colleague from M-M on this issue. Why shouldn't prospectives have the right to politically organise - as long as they do so in public, where everyone can see them, and weigh it in their options as to whether to object to their citizenship of the basis?

Would you rather, for example, someone try to organise the Talossan Adolf Hitler Appreciation Society before or after they become a citizen? I know which I'd prefer. And I remember being deep-sixed from Talossa for my political beliefs (i.e. coming close to one of KR1's political enemies) in 1997. That should never happen again to anyone else, and it's sad that I have to argue for it 17 years later.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Thank you for your reply, Senator Schivâ.

I don't disagree with you about Prospective Citizens having certain rights and privileges. They should be allowed to speak freely and express opinions.

BUT - this Bill/Amendment's wording goes far beyond just a Prospective Citizen. It specifically uses the term "any person".

The way it is written, it would apply to any and all that visit the Kingdom. The "Talossan Adolf Hitler Appreciation Society" could not be excluded from posting, campaigning for Ziu candidates, Provincial Elections, etc. There would be no restrictions on them from submitting their agenda to everywhere (including Immigration and The Chat Room) with no intention of ever joining the Kingdom. It is my opinion that this Bill/Amendment's wording would allow and require anyone to be given a Login and Password to Witt, as long as they are over the age of 13.


I am not so much against the intent of the Bill, but the actual wording of the Bill. I believe it is too broad and far reaching.


I yield the Floor.