Üc R. Tärfâ
Talossan since 3-8-2005
Deputy Fiôván Secretary of State
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Post by Üc R. Tärfâ on Jan 1, 2014 6:24:52 GMT -6
I haven't received any email to vote...
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jan 1, 2014 7:02:21 GMT -6
There wasn't one.
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Üc R. Tärfâ
Talossan since 3-8-2005
Deputy Fiôván Secretary of State
Posts: 760
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Post by Üc R. Tärfâ on Jan 1, 2014 7:06:00 GMT -6
That's why you proposed that amendment to the electoral law right?
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jan 1, 2014 7:07:50 GMT -6
The one that I proposed didn't specify that an e-mail needed to be sent out, which I'm sure we're eager to remedy for next time.
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Üc R. Tärfâ
Talossan since 3-8-2005
Deputy Fiôván Secretary of State
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Post by Üc R. Tärfâ on Jan 1, 2014 13:31:51 GMT -6
Miestra's one.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 5, 2014 16:23:37 GMT -6
Okay, here is a statement from the Senator-elect.
I believe that the election was completely legal, as the law did not specifically ordain that the ProvSoS should send out email reminders. He announced the election perfectly well on Witt, forgetting that not all our citizens are regular readers. So, while legal, the election was lacking something democratically. My suggested amendments to the Electoral law will stop this happening in future - but what about now, when many Fiovans feel cheated?
I therefore propose the following course of action:
1) I pledge to resign my office at the time of the next Cosâ election. According to the OrgLaw, this will mean that the Capitán will nominate a replacement. 2) In place of doing so, we will hold a "referendum on whom the Capitán should nominate" - i.e., a de facto election. I will stand in this election. Whoever wins will fill out the rest of my term, in an undisputedly democratic faction. 3) In return for doing this, the legal actions seeking to invalidate my election will be withdrawn. However, if you want to appeal Grubi's decision to a higher court solely on the basis of "does the Landsdoom have the legal right to annul an election without hearing formal charges and holding a trial", I think that'd be a good thing.
Questions? Comments?
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Üc R. Tärfâ
Talossan since 3-8-2005
Deputy Fiôván Secretary of State
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Post by Üc R. Tärfâ on Jan 5, 2014 19:58:57 GMT -6
1) I pledge to resign my office at the time of the next Cosâ election. According to the OrgLaw, this will mean that the Capitán will nominate a replacement. No, we will run a By-Election. OrgLaw IV.10: If a Senator vacates his or her seat before the end of the term, the executive of the province shall appoint a Senator to sit until the next General Election or the next provincial election in that province, whichever is sooner, at which time the people of the province shall elect a Senator to serve the remainder of the term. If the provincial executive fails to appoint a Senator within a fortnight of the vacancy, the King or his Cunstavál shall appoint the Senator.
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Owen Edwards
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Post by Owen Edwards on Jan 5, 2014 20:02:52 GMT -6
A genuine statement of ignorance: does Fiova have the procedures for by-elections? If not, the next Senatorial election will be in its ordinary slot in the electoral calendar.
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Üc R. Tärfâ
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Post by Üc R. Tärfâ on Jan 5, 2014 20:07:29 GMT -6
A genuine statement of ignorance: does Fiova have the procedures for by-elections? If not, the next Senatorial election will be in its ordinary slot in the electoral calendar. ?? The Organic Law is pretty clear that a senatorial election will be held together with the next General (in summer) or Provincial (in spring) Election, and the elected senator will serve the remainder of the orginal term.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
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Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 5, 2014 20:08:13 GMT -6
It doesn't matter. One way or another we'll have a vote. If worst comes to the worst, we'll have a "preferential referendum" on who should finish the current Senäts term, and the Capitán will appoint the winner.
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Üc R. Tärfâ
Talossan since 3-8-2005
Deputy Fiôván Secretary of State
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Post by Üc R. Tärfâ on Jan 5, 2014 20:15:13 GMT -6
It doesn't matter. One way or another we'll have a vote. If worst comes to the worst, we'll have a "preferential referendum" on who should finish the current Senäts term, and the Capitán will appoint the winner. No, that cannot be a permanent situation, because a Senator appointed by the Capitán per OrgLaw IV.10 "can't survive" a General or Provincial Election. This means that his "term" can't be longer than 6 months.
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Owen Edwards
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Post by Owen Edwards on Jan 5, 2014 20:29:56 GMT -6
?? The Organic Law is pretty clear that a senatorial election will be held together with the next General (in summer) or Provincial (in spring) Election, and the elected senator will serve the remainder of the orginal term. Unsure why you needed the aggressive comic book interlocution, but at any rate I don't think that's "clear" in the way you suggest. General elections happen on the six Clark cycle; Provincial elections (where separate from the GE) occur as mandated by provincial constitutions, etc. I asked, quite sincerely, whether Fiova had constitutional means of holding a by-election. I was not answered.
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Üc R. Tärfâ
Talossan since 3-8-2005
Deputy Fiôván Secretary of State
Posts: 760
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Post by Üc R. Tärfâ on Jan 5, 2014 20:40:02 GMT -6
?? The Organic Law is pretty clear that a senatorial election will be held together with the next General (in summer) or Provincial (in spring) Election, and the elected senator will serve the remainder of the orginal term. Unsure why you needed the aggressive comic book interlocution, ?? Agressive? So? At the end of the six Clark cycle a senatorial election will be held. (Btw partially OT, I'm persuaded that in our situation also the Capitan Election in spring might do the trick, as it's a proper Provincial Election) I'm afraid that there could be a misunderstanding on the word "By-Election". I used it to identify the straordinary election held together with a General or a Provincial Election. As the elected Senator will not serve a proper full term but he the remainder of the original term, it fits exactly the definition of By Election as " an election held to fill a political office that has become vacant between regularly scheduled elections"; because a regularly election for the Fiovan Senator is not scheduled in those electoral slots.
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Owen Edwards
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Post by Owen Edwards on Jan 7, 2014 14:43:07 GMT -6
The Capitan election would count, I think.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 7, 2014 15:20:47 GMT -6
... which happens to be June 1, 6 months from now, which seems to solve the problem. We just have to see whether this satisfies Xhorxh. (Because if it doesn't, fine, take me to Cort and I'll sit in the Senäts for the next three Cosâs or until legally dismissed.)
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