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Post by Thor Sawin on Jan 21, 2013 23:14:26 GMT -6
I know prospectives aren't allowed to request arms. But can I float a potential design past the College, just to see what the collected folks think? It is: Per bend vert and sable. A huntsman Or. What I'm not sure of is: The Vert/Sable... does this violate tincture? Am I missing terminology for the huntsman? Attachments:
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 21, 2013 23:20:24 GMT -6
I know prospectives aren't allowed to request arms. But can I float a potential design past the College, just to see what the collected folks think? It is: Per bend vert and sable. A huntsman Or. What I'm not sure of is: The Vert/Sable... does this violate tincture? Am I missing terminology for the huntsman? One of the questions we ask the petitioner is if they can find where an charge ( the "huntsman") has been used in a previous Coat of Arms. The tinctures are not in question - that won't be a problem.
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Post by Thor Sawin on Jan 21, 2013 23:26:18 GMT -6
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 21, 2013 23:36:47 GMT -6
Do you have any ties to San Martino di Lupari ?
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Post by Thor Sawin on Jan 21, 2013 23:40:06 GMT -6
I do not. But I am an avid hunter and woodsman. Though I might've stopped there once while on vacation. Well, the train stopped.
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Post by Thor Sawin on Jan 21, 2013 23:42:43 GMT -6
A hunter also appears on the shield of the flag of Michigan
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 21, 2013 23:49:09 GMT -6
A hunter also appears on the shield of the flag of Michigan True. But we need a reference to a Heraldic reference to this device.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Jan 22, 2013 1:04:57 GMT -6
Perhaps instead of a hunter, something representative of hunting? A bow or a hunting-horn, perhaps?
Personally, if I were you, I'd see if I could get a log with a saw in it. "Sawin'." *rimshot* Thank you. I'll be here all week. Make sure to tip your waitresses.
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Post by Thor Sawin on Jan 22, 2013 8:27:22 GMT -6
A hunter also appears on the shield of the flag of Michigan True. But we need a reference to a Heraldic reference to this device. I'm not 100% clear on what you're meaning here. The device I used was a photograph from a costume website that I then photoshopped to its current state. I'm not attached to that precise image, per se, I was just trying to put together something "quick n' dirty" so I had an image in my mind when discussing. Mr. Canun, you might want to suggest that to my brother. He's more a bump on a log than I am.
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jan 22, 2013 8:30:20 GMT -6
What is meant is in order to use a specific heraldic device, there needs to be precedent. For example, I couldn't use a TV set (I know, bad analogy but all I could come up with this early) on a CoA unless I could show the SKA and the Blanc Wolf that a television set had been previously used in legitimate arms somewhere. The Royal College loves breaking new-ish ground as long as we have something to back it up.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 22, 2013 8:55:41 GMT -6
It doesn't help when I'm being redundant, does it? (smiles)
Also, we have to refer to the nomenclature of a device (the name of an object) in the Blazon.
The Blazon is the verbal description of the Coat of Arms. It needs to be standardized, so that any and all craftsman that render the CoA and reproduce it. For example, my CoA reads as such:
" Argent a bend enhanced vert between the sun in its splendour gules and a greyhound passant proper. "
If I were to walk into any shield maker in Europe , they could read that description, and create a pretty good reproduction of what I have here.
On the other hand "Huntsman" is not a standard device term ( from what I can find) - so that same shield maker may have no idea what is meant by that term.
Though found often as crests and supporters, the human figure simply used as a charge upon a shield is not often found. Instances of human figures that do occur include Christ upon the cross and images of Saints.
Representations of the Virgin Mary with Jesus are not as uncommon as other instances of human figures. Like birds and beasts, the position of the figure in a charge takes on different meanings and names.
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Post by Thor Sawin on Jan 25, 2013 20:50:27 GMT -6
What of an animal's pawprints?
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