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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Aug 18, 2012 0:39:28 GMT -6
I've been toying, for a while, with the idea of determining one's canton of residence by some plan, sort of like we do on the national level with Provinces.
Now, we could do it on the basis of where you're from, or we could do it some other way (e.g. I decide I want to "live" in a particular canton).
Thoughts, people?
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 18, 2012 5:19:49 GMT -6
I've been toying, for a while, with the idea of determining one's canton of residence by some plan, sort of like we do on the national level with Provinces. Now, we could do it on the basis of where you're from, or we could do it some other way (e.g. I decide I want to "live" in a particular canton). Thoughts, people? Interesting idea. It would be a first, as far as I know. I might support doing that on a geographic basis. |
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Aug 18, 2012 5:27:10 GMT -6
It might be best to establish a geographic area, but at the same time, give the current residents their own choice of cantons, if they so choose.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 18, 2012 7:46:49 GMT -6
Personally, my opinion is the same as with provincial assignment. Either the cantons are geographical entities or they aren't. Allowing people to opt out without compelling reason defeats the purpose.
Unlike with provinces, which are represented in the Senäts on the national level, cantons play no role in the provincial government, and our population will not be large enough in the foreseeable future for things to be otherwise. So the only meaningful purpose for assigning people to cantons is to reflect the geographical distribution of the population. People can form clubs or interest groups on their own.
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Aug 18, 2012 8:03:04 GMT -6
Personally, my opinion is the same as with provincial assignment. Either the cantons are geographical entities or they aren't. Allowing people to opt out without compelling reason defeats the purpose. Unlike with provinces, which are represented in the Senäts on the national level, cantons play no role in the provincial government, and our population will not be large enough in the foreseeable future for things to be otherwise. So the only meaningful purpose for assigning people to cantons is to reflect the geographical distribution of the population. People can form clubs or interest groups on their own. Its not allowing people to opt out--It is allowing current residents to opt in. It seems wrong to mandate that a citizen be forced to join a certain canton. (For a new citizen, however, they would automatically be assigned with no opt out.) |
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 18, 2012 8:55:06 GMT -6
Yeah I guess I can see that. If an existing Maricopan has already developed an attachment to a particular province, not knowing that that canton would later be linked to a different part of Maricopa's catchment area, better to let the existing connections continue. I don't have a strong attachment to any particular canton (or rather my favorite is no longer in Maricopa) so I'd go with whatever my geographic assignment is, but I'm fine with allowing other current citizens to opt out.
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Aug 18, 2012 9:34:49 GMT -6
Yeah I guess I can see that. If an existing Maricopan has already developed an attachment to a particular province, not knowing that that canton would later be linked to a different part of Maricopa's catchment area, better to let the existing connections continue. I don't have a strong attachment to any particular canton (or rather my favorite is no longer in Maricopa) so I'd go with whatever my geographic assignment is, but I'm fine with allowing other current citizens to opt out. Personally, I would go with whatever assignment I have as well; it is just looking out for any other Maricopan that might feel differently. |
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Post by Danihel Txechescu on Aug 18, 2012 11:12:57 GMT -6
Unlike with provinces, which are represented in the Senäts on the national level, cantons play no role in the provincial government [...] Not currently, but as a Member of the Cosa residing in a specific canton, I could give voice to my neighbors and ask them how they want to be represented. |
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Aug 19, 2012 1:36:22 GMT -6
It might also be a step toward MCs representing (for ceremonial purposes) a particular geographic region.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 19, 2012 8:58:34 GMT -6
That's true. If other provinces follow our lead, and we know the number of citizens associated with each canton, it will be easier to rationally link Cosa seats with cantons.
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Aug 19, 2012 9:03:59 GMT -6
It might also be a step toward MCs representing (for ceremonial purposes) a particular geographic region. You know I'm all for this. |
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Aug 19, 2012 22:31:55 GMT -6
I am from Maricopa, but presently don't even know the Cantons... Will have to go around and ask the denizens for a place so that I may be allowed to stay at a place... which I can call myself to be associated with.
On second thoughts, I feel that we should take such a step after we get a little active here in the Cabana. Otherwise Canton politics may not let us have a healthy Cabana...
Am against this move...
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Sept 23, 2012 18:57:04 GMT -6
What are the cantons of Maricopa? Can I get a list and maybe some details about them?
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Sept 23, 2012 22:50:17 GMT -6
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Sept 26, 2012 3:09:15 GMT -6
Each of the cantons is named after a prominent former Talossan (respectively, Jack Schneider, Bob Murphy, Sandee Prachel, and Wes Erni). Each of these was an "Old Growther" who became a Talossan in the '80s, and none of them is a citizen any longer. The first three dropped out in the '90s I believe, but Erni was a citizen until some time after King Robert I abdicated in 2005 (although I think he might have had a lapse or two in his citizenship).
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