ZRT Campaign Underway

[Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu]

Well... I used to do do a fair number of the MRP's posters... so there is a certain similarity.

[D. N. Vercáriâ]

I remember flying kitties, but muscle goats in cakes we had not.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Jun 21, 2012 14:59:31 GMT -6 D. N. Vercáriâ said:

I remember flying kitties, but muscle goats in cakes we had not.

Just as well, I think!

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

"Muscle Goats in Cakes" is the name of my new band.

[Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir]

Yeah all this is great fun however the election ends in 12 (?) days and from what ive seen. so far the ZRT has only said that it wants rump out of power because its non progressive. Dont get me wrong i support the ZRT dtrongly. However isnt the whole idea of a campain to actualy lay out your ideas for change and how youll implement them and show the people your the best option for the country. Instead of just slagging off the other parties and isolating yourself from them? Thats a vad plan. We may need them later. However i i shall phrase it as a question. If the ZRT either got a majority in the cosa or formed a coilition what would be the main reforns or new bill you would introduce to the Cosa to try to get into law? Also how do you see yourself transforming Talossa into your vision as a party?

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Evan, the Joint Platform of the Three Opposition Parties is here. That's what we'll do.

[Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir]

Ok i wasnt aware that this existed. But its not a bad plan. I didnt mean to appear rude or offend anyone im sorry if i was.

[Hooligan]

Jul 3, 2012 16:49:10 GMT -6 Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir said:

Ok i wasnt aware that this existed. But its not a bad plan. I didnt mean to appear rude or offend anyone im sorry if i was.

No, it's not a bad plan.

You'll note that the RUMP has been assisting the Scribery in working toward goal #1. (Heck the RUMP has helped, and been, the scribery for seven years now.)

And you'll note that the RUMP supports goals 2 (without thinking it needs to be legislated or a restriction of the freedom of any party to do with its seats what it thinks best serves its members -- if it's wrong, its members will punish it!)

And you'll note that the RUMP supports goal 3 (110%)

And that the RUMP long ago wrote and passed a law that gave the nation goal #4 for any worthy "micronations". This plank of the programme, confusingly to the RUMP, wants to repeal that very law. Serious micronations, yes; bathtub and stuffed-animal micronations, no. And that's what we have. In law. A RUMP-written law. The RUMP thinks that's exactly what this plank of the programme wants, so it supports the intent, but not the "we already have what we want so let's repeal it"ness it sees in the plank.

So yeah, it's not a bad plan at all.

Hool

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Yeah, you'll see that Hool claims to want to fight an election "on the issues", but he does that by claiming that they agree with whatever the opposition propose - when, as you can see in some vicious threads below, they really don't when they get down to specifics.

For example, the ZRT wants to repeal the law which tries to differentiate Talossa from micronations (not, as Hool claims, only from the silly ones). If they really did agree with Plank 4, they would have already reached out to, for example, the Republic of Héalie or the Empire of Septempontia, two nations who had good relations with the old Talossan Republic.

This is why I call the RUMP a "catch-all" party - with the exception of the monarchy, they are willing to promise anything to anyone to get another six months of being able to hand out titles, Ministries, and the majority of seats in the Cosâ, and generally swagger around like they were born to rule. (Oh, and furiously yell at opposition party leaders for daring to suggest that the Seneschál and her Cabinet are wearing less clothes than they thought they were.)

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Jul 4, 2012 1:10:49 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

For example, the ZRT wants to repeal the law which tries to differentiate Talossa from micronations (not, as Hool claims, only from the silly ones). If they really did agree with Plank 4, they would have already reached out to, for example, the Republic of Héalie or the Empire of Septempontia, two nations who had good relations with the old Talossan Republic.

Any Talossan citizen who considers relations with those micronations to be important can ask they be added to the whitelist, petitioning the Minister of Foreign Affairs about it. To my knowledge, no Talossan has ever cared sufficiently about a micronation to make this appeal. Accordingly, it has not appeared to be a major issue.

Jul 4, 2012 1:10:49 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

This is why I call the RUMP a "catch-all" party - with the exception of the monarchy, they are willing to promise anything to anyone to get another six months of being able to hand out titles, Ministries, and the majority of seats in the Cosâ, and generally swagger around like they were born to rule. (Oh, and furiously yell at opposition party leaders for daring to suggest that the Seneschál and her Cabinet are wearing less clothes than they thought they were.)

The RUMP has occasionally been known to do other things. I recall some laws, a board game, much of a wiki...

[Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir]

Ok Hool if you think its not a bad plan why has your party not done anything to act upon these things? And yeah the maim.principles you may agree with now. But what of the details of how the ZRT and this platform would try to change these. Because RUMP as far as ive seen has just been either agreeing with the oposition manifesto or just avoiding politc talk. This us a generalisation of course. And you seem out of all the RUMP fairly apt at political talk. However whats to say if the RUMP regain the najority that youll actualy act upon these usdues? The oposition seem to think it is and so far the oposition outweigh the RUMP. Bevause the past indicates if it will change itll probably take years. And are you saying that were only supposed to know which party is elected but not the MC's before an election? If so how is that fair to the general populace? We should have a say who is running the country down the individuals in power. Thats how democracy works. Otherwise its a form of comuism. Theres a small choice but its vague. So why not have manditory canditate list so we the people of Talossa can judge for ourselfs if they are the best people to be in the Cosa to best represent our wishes? And in those seats would you not agree that its best to have MC's who have served on q provincial level so they knpw how Gov works before the join the Cosa so theres experinced politicians in there.not just puppets on a string of the RUMP party?

[Eðo Grischun]

I feel I must say... I was a RUMP member and was never a "puppet on a string". I'm looking at people that I have known for a few years now... Davis, Preston, et al... I feel like laughing till the buttocks fall off at the accusation that these people are puppets on Hool's strings.

Seriously, you all have no idea how things work in the Kingdom.

"And are you saying that were only supposed to know which party is elected but not the MC's before an election?"

That is EXACTLY what the constitution says ... yes!

"Thats how democracy works" ... TALOSSA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY! And no, that makes it not communism by default. In the nicest possible way, Go read. This is a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Jul 4, 2012 3:14:31 GMT -6 Eðo Grischun said:

I feel I must say... I was a RUMP member and was never a "puppet on a string". I'm looking at people that I have known for a few years now... Davis, Preston, et al... I feel like laughing till the buttocks fall off at the accusation that these people are puppets on Hool's strings.

Very true.

Seriously, you all have no idea how things work in the Kingdom.

"And are you saying that were only supposed to know which party is elected but not the MC's before an election?"

That is EXACTLY what the constitution says ... yes!

So? The orglaw also says it can be amended.

"Thats how democracy works" ... TALOSSA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY! And no, that makes it not communism by default. In the nicest possible way, Go read. This is a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system.

Which is a form of indirect democracy, so yes it is a democracy, even though some ZRT members and you may doubt that. But that doesnt mean it cannot improve.

[Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir]

A constitonal.monarchy with an elected government house was the first form of a democracy. I know what a constitutional monarchy does. I live in a constutional monarch. And is the whole point of having a gov to represent the people? Yeah a party can do that vaguely however that means that no ones really acciuntable. At least if there are canditate lists there accountability. And it tends to act like that. From what ive heard the RUMP puts new citizens in the Cosa whove little experince and therefore easily manipulated by the party hence being like a puppet on a string. And i see that you complety ignored the points i made about RUMP being in power so long and yet not actualy changing much in your time in Gov? All your doing is slagging off other partys without giving credance to your claims. Also you never really seem to give any definate answers just vague and obscure remarks not really commiting to any plans. And i never claimed to know much about Talossan polictical structure so far im still learning it. However that does not make my political views and opinions any less valid. And my point is that things need to change and the only party ive seen who want to move in a direction i agree with. And actualy wants change and gas the motivatiok to do so is the ZRT party. Ive seen no real evidance RUMP wants change and if it does theyre not bothered about how or when thinking itll happen without effort. That is why i support the ZRT they have their convictions and integrity as a party. The RUMP doesnt seem too.

[Glüc da Dhi]

What about the MRPT? We have our convictions and integrity as a party. But then monarchist, slightly more realistic when it comes to the position of the sos and we dont accuse the RUMP of being corrupt every hour.