ZRT Campaign Underway

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

May 23, 2012 15:00:19 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Wait a minute, that's not me in that photo. I'd never wear a pink dress.

I'm the parasol on the far left (not a political statement).

[Xheneta Britxind]

May 23, 2012 8:52:26 GMT -6 Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu said:

Vote the Goat!

See, now, when I first looked at this (I had to enlarge it to see the slogan), I thought that guy was hitting a kitten over the head with a hammer. A deterrent to getting my vote, at first glance.

[Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu]

Oh, no! He's making more kittens, not hitting one with a hammer.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Can someone explain why the ZRT keeps saying it is the only real alternative to the RUMP government. Are the APT,CSPP and MRPT not real or alternative enough for you?

[Hooligan]

For some reason, the words "not alternative enough" pushed the name "Alanis Morissette" into my head suddenly. Does the ZRT consider the MRPT to be the Alanis of Talossan politics?

Hool

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

May 24, 2012 16:06:56 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

Can someone explain why the ZRT keeps saying it is the only real alternative to the RUMP government. Are the APT,CSPP and MRPT not real or alternative enough for you?

This may be a false memory, but didn't a representative of the ModRads say a few months ago that replacing the RUMP in government was far less interesting to them than putting forward their legislative programme? If so, combined with the rumors I'm hearing that a majority of the CSProg membership are leaving politics, I consider myself vindicated.

The ZRT wants to replace the RUMP, to take away their absolute majority and lead an alternative coalition. We are not so up ourselves that we believe we can do so singlehandedly, at least at this time, but we flatter ourselves that we are the only party with the manpower and the strong vision to lead an alternative government. Of course, if the Mod-Rads are the biggest opposition party after the election, we will be proven wrong.

As for the Peculiarists, I know them of old from Republic politics and they seem to be much more confident with the role of principled opposition than in taking power. I wonder whether Dieter could honestly say his party wants to lead a government. I think not.

Finally, I would like to say that frankly the record of the Kingdom opposition in pre-Reunision days as providing a real alternative to the RUMP is totally uninspiring, which is why we Defencists started our own party in the first place. Of course, it could be that ModRads or CSProgs might be inspired by the ZRT's two-fisted, no-nonsense approach to politics and change their ways. In which case the voters will have more than one serious option.

[Üc R. Tärfâ]

Miracle of the reunion, the lemur here agrees on most of what Miestrâ stands for

Here a little gift... I've just played with vectorial graphic...

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[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

That looks quite nice actually!

[Üc R. Tärfâ]

May 26, 2012 12:56:08 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

That looks quite nice actually!

Thanks... I've reduced the long name by few pixel, now there's a border...

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[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Welcome aboard, Üc! We've got half the old Peculiarist team on board now.

[Glüc da Dhi]

May 24, 2012 19:17:09 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

May 24, 2012 16:06:56 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

Can someone explain why the ZRT keeps saying it is the only real alternative to the RUMP government. Are the APT,CSPP and MRPT not real or alternative enough for you?

This may be a false memory, but didn't a representative of the ModRads say a few months ago that replacing the RUMP in government was far less interesting to them than putting forward their legislative programme?

Yes, and I am surprised you dont think the same way. Sure, it would be nice to be in the government, and I think it would aslo be good for Talossa if the RUMP were in the opposition for once, but when it comes to really make a difference and changing Talossan future for the better I believe what happens in the cosa and in the senäts is more important. Do you believe a ZRT government is more important than making Talossan society more open and tolerant by allowing dual citizenship and tearing down the semi-permeable wall or making parties more accountable by introducing mandatory candidate lists?

If so, combined with the rumors I'm hearing that a majority of the CSProg membership are leaving politics, I consider myself vindicated.

The ZRT wants to replace the RUMP, to take away their absolute majority and lead an alternative coalition. We are not so up ourselves that we believe we can do so singlehandedly, at least at this time, but we flatter ourselves that we are the only party with the manpower and the strong vision to lead an alternative government.

The ZRT does indeed have more manpower than the MRPT (although the manpower of the ZRT is still very small compared to the RUMP), but I think you underestimate the strong vision of the MRPT. The MRPT has since its creation come up with solutions to the problems Talossa faces. Solutions that are way more realistic than prefering a non partisan sos over an active sos or trying to replace party fees by the voluntary taxes we already have.

Of course, if the Mod-Rads are the biggest opposition party after the election, we will be proven wrong.

I dont value parties by their size or the amount of pocket votes they have, but by their ideas.

As for the Peculiarists, I know them of old from Republic politics and they seem to be much more confident with the role of principled opposition than in taking power. I wonder whether Dieter could honestly say his party wants to lead a government. I think not.

Finally, I would like to say that frankly the record of the Kingdom opposition in pre-Reunision days as providing a real alternative to the RUMP is totally uninspiring, which is why we Defencists started our own party in the first place. Of course, it could be that ModRads or CSProgs might be inspired by the ZRT's two-fisted, no-nonsense approach to politics and change their ways. In which case the voters will have more than one serious option.

Im happy with the addition of the ZRT to Talossan politics, but the MRPT does not need to change its ways. When Alex and I left the PPT, we decided that we would do politics in a different ways, focusing on accountability, solid ideas and a long term strategy, rather than on a vague ideology and short term campaigning. Last term in cosa went pretty well for us, as we were the only elected party with every MC voting on every clark. The MRPT offers Talossa an alternative that is not only real, but also realistic

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Yes, and I am surprised you dont think the same way. Sure, it would be nice to be in the government, and I think it would aslo be good for Talossa if the RUMP were in the opposition for once, but when it comes to really make a difference and changing Talossan future for the better I believe what happens in the cosa and in the senäts is more important. Do you believe a ZRT government is more important than making Talossan society more open and tolerant by allowing dual citizenship and tearing down the semi-permeable wall or making parties more accountable by introducing mandatory candidate lists?

With all due respect, many of these reforms are opposed by the RUMP. As such, replacing the RUMP with a progressive government, a government which I believe the ZRT can offer, is the only way such reforms can be introduced. Of course, I don't believe this will happen overnight. Neither do I believe that the ZRT will be able to do this alone, which is why I believe in the necessity for the progressive parties in Talossa to band together to ensure that our shared vision for Talossa comes to be.

Of course, I'd much prefer it if we don't need to rely on other progressive parties because that would inevitably mean compromise. Now, whilst I'm not an enemy of compromise - compromise does mean that our vision of Talossa won't come to be in its entirety.

The ZRT does indeed have more manpower than the MRPT (although the manpower of the ZRT is still very small compared to the RUMP), but I think you underestimate the strong vision of the MRPT. The MRPT has since its creation come up with solutions to the problems Talossa faces. Solutions that are way more realistic than prefering a non partisan sos over an active sos or trying to replace party fees by the voluntary taxes we already have.

You should note that the examples you gave do not feature in our manifesto. I believe I said this to Dieter not long ago: Miestra isn't the entirety of the ZRT. Individual members have their own individual opinions which aren't necessarily adopted by the party. I feel it's important that I make this distinction absolutely clear.

I dont value parties by their size or the amount of pocket votes they have, but by their ideas.

Sadly, a party's ideas alone do not dictate the size of the party in the Cosa. With the exception of of parties who reap the benefits of pocket voters, the size of the party in the Cosa will often reflect public opinion of a party's ideas. Unfortunately, given that a voter is unable to cast their vote with anonymity, there's no way of knowing for sure if other factors affect this.

The MRPT offers Talossa an alternative that is not only real, but also realistic

Out of interest, I don't suppose you could tell me which parts of our platform you find unrealistic? (referring to our manifesto if possible)

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

May 29, 2012 8:11:28 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

May 24, 2012 19:17:09 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

This may be a false memory, but didn't a representative of the ModRads say a few months ago that replacing the RUMP in government was far less interesting to them than putting forward their legislative programme?

Yes, and I am surprised you dont think the same way.

So that's an admission. The ZRT are the only party who offer an alternative government to the RUMP. Thank you.

Do you believe a ZRT government is more important than making Talossan society more open and tolerant by allowing dual citizenship and tearing down the semi-permeable wall or making parties more accountable by introducing mandatory candidate lists?

If we have the first then we will automatically have the second. But if we can't have the first perhaps we can still have the second.

[Glüc da Dhi]

May 29, 2012 16:02:16 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

May 29, 2012 8:11:28 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

Yes, and I am surprised you dont think the same way.

So that's an admission. The ZRT are the only party who offer an alternative government to the RUMP. Thank you

You have a creative way of changing what I said into what you would like to hear.

Do you believe a ZRT government is more important than making Talossan society more open and tolerant by allowing dual citizenship and tearing down the semi-permeable wall or making parties more accountable by introducing mandatory candidate lists?

If we have the first then we will automatically have the second. But if we can't have the first perhaps we can still have the second.

Maybe we have a different definition of government. ( That doesnt have to be a rhetorical statement. Maybe we really do.)
The ziu and the senäts (and in most cases the people themselves as well) decide on these things. Not the PM or the cabinet. So a ZRT government doesnt mean the entire ZRT program will become reality. All I tried to say is that I rather have the MRPT manifesto become reality than the MRPT being part of the government. Does that make the MRPT less real? or less alternative?

[Glüc da Dhi]

May 29, 2012 9:34:11 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

Yes, and I am surprised you dont think the same way. Sure, it would be nice to be in the government, and I think it would aslo be good for Talossa if the RUMP were in the opposition for once, but when it comes to really make a difference and changing Talossan future for the better I believe what happens in the cosa and in the senäts is more important. Do you believe a ZRT government is more important than making Talossan society more open and tolerant by allowing dual citizenship and tearing down the semi-permeable wall or making parties more accountable by introducing mandatory candidate lists?

With all due respect, many of these reforms are opposed by the RUMP. As such, replacing the RUMP with a progressive government, a government which I believe the ZRT can offer, is the only way such reforms can be introduced. Of course, I don't believe this will happen overnight. Neither do I believe that the ZRT will be able to do this alone, which is why I believe in the necessity for the progressive parties in Talossa to band together to ensure that our shared vision for Talossa comes to be.

Of course, I'd much prefer it if we don't need to rely on other progressive parties because that would inevitably mean compromise. Now, whilst I'm not an enemy of compromise - compromise does mean that our vision of Talossa won't come to be in its entirety.



You should not that the examples you gave do not feature in our manifesto. I believe I said this to Dieter not long ago: Miestra isn't the entirety of the ZRT. Individual members have their own individual opinions which aren't necessarily adopted by the party. I feel it's important that I make this distinction absolutely clear.

True, but voting ZRT will also mean electing Miestra. Since she is party leader and since a lot of subjects that have been debated so far cant be found in the ZRT manifesto, I was assuming these things are the leading opinion within the ZRT. I apologize if that assumption was incorrect. Just for the record, how does the ZRT feel on these issues?


PS hopefully I will be able to respond to the rest of your post tomorrow, but Im also busy with other stuff, so I cant promise anything.