RUMP Campaign Underway

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

May 16, 2012 2:04:16 GMT -6 D. N. Vercáriâ said:

May 15, 2012 15:41:05 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

In the Republic we always sighed with frustration at those who put principle above the greater good of the Talossan nation.

This sentence contains everything that is wrong with the ZRT, which is why I will never vote for them. Who is this imaginary group "we" that always sighted with frustration? What principles? Who determines what's the greater good of the Talossan nation? This sentence is a baloon full of fear-mongering hot air, with 0 % verifiable information in it. In other words, plain nonsense, but apparently it sells.

Try to differentiate between Miestra and the ZRT. There ARE members of the ZRT who are NOT Miestra, Dieter. That you disagree with Miestra does not mean you have to disagree with the ZRT's policies. I'm sure we could find a lot of common ground between the APT and the ZRT such as advocacy of a secret ballot alongside other examples of electoral reform.

[Hooligan]

Well, it seems the RUMP isn't the ONLY party that, as the title of this thread says, has its campaign underway! :-)

(( Hool ))

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

I think it would be funny if, at this point, we released our manifesto for this election stating that we would defend to death the electoral system as is.

[Hooligan]

May 16, 2012 9:20:44 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

I think it would be funny if, at this point, we released our manifesto for this election stating that we would defend to death the electoral system as is.

And the RUMP for immediate implementation of secret ballots! :-)

(( Hool ))

[D. N. Vercáriâ]

May 16, 2012 2:28:59 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

*ahem* Deet, by "we", I meant the Republican Talossans sighing that the Royalist government were too wrapped up in principles such as "constitutional legitimacy" and "Betrayed Stolen Kept" to recognize us as fellow Talossans for so many years.

Hm, in the whole context I thought you were speaking about the assignment issue again, and that made me see some flames dancing before my eyes, because I'm really sick of reading that a little bit of flexibility in the provincial assignment issue will wreck Talossa to her doom.

At least in the Republic, most citizens never felt an urge to seek reassignment, so it was petty petty petty that in the few (two) cases of an wish for provincial reassignment the watchers of tradition (tm) refused to move even an inch. Ah, I'm still getting riled up and angry, so I better stop typing.

[D. N. Vercáriâ]

May 16, 2012 2:44:18 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

Try to differentiate between Miestra and the ZRT. There ARE members of the ZRT who are NOT Miestra, Dieter.

LOL. You're all miestrafied clones in there, don't deny it, Carlüs. Well, probably you're not.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Oh yeah, we've got Carlüs on the hormone pills and he'll be growing himself a nice set of breasts any day now.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

May 16, 2012 13:56:04 GMT -6 D. N. Vercáriâ said:

May 16, 2012 2:44:18 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

Try to differentiate between Miestra and the ZRT. There ARE members of the ZRT who are NOT Miestra, Dieter.

LOL. You're all miestrafied clones in there, don't deny it, Carlüs. Well, probably you're not.

You're too kind, S:reu Vercaria! ;D

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

May 16, 2012 15:21:22 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Oh yeah, we've got Carlüs on the hormone pills and he'll be growing himself a nice set of breasts any day now.

This is how baseless rumours start!

[D. N. Vercáriâ]

Anyway it's giving the caption "rump campaign underway" a new meaning.

[Vitxalmour Conductour]

May 23, 2012 9:46:17 GMT -6 Hooligan said:

RUMP still has the upper-hand on the leprechaun issue. :-)

Barely. Let's hear it for rush jobs!

[Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu]

I do have a question for the RUMP, though I must admit that it is not related to the leprechaun issue. All Talossans are painfully aware of the RUMP-Lep Combine that conspires to transform Talossa into a monarchist nanny state with a dehydrated marshmallow cereal diet. This is so well known as to not even be an issue.

My question concerns the 3rd policy of your platform, forbidding micronational engagement for Talossan citizens. Though the reasoning is clear in your platform, I ask how this policy is in any way compatible with the 5th Covenant of Rights in the Orglaw. The guarantee of free assembly seems to preclude this policy. To tell individual citizens what they are and are not permitted to do in their spare time, and whom they are allowed to do it with, strikes me as highly invasive and, at heart, InOrganic.

[Hooligan]

May 23, 2012 12:21:47 GMT -6 Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu said:

All Talossans are painfully aware of the RUMP-Lep Combine that conspires to transform Talossa into a monarchist nanny state with a dehydrated marshmallow cereal diet. This is so well known as to not even be an issue.

Now that's not really a fair characterisation. We have worked really hard on the quality of the dehydrated marshmallow cereal. For example, in the years since the RUMP was founded, the Magic Mirror marshmallows were introduced in 2006, then in 2008, yellow and orange hourglass marshmallows were introduced. The RUMP, as the party of the present, and a well-known advocate of time-travel, is proud to note that "The Hourglass Charm has the power to Stop Time * Speed Up Time * Reverse Time".

Also in 2008, the single-leprechaun paradigm was enhanced by the addition of a new contemporary for Lucky the Leprechaun named "The Emerald Elder", a nod to the advancing age of our party and its members (we argued for "The Ruby Relic" to add some Talossan red to the green leprechaun model, but were vetoed by marketing). Indeed, as late as last year, the RUMP's efforts resulted in the addition of swirled marshmallows and rainbow-colored stars to the diet.

My question concerns the 3rd policy of your platform, forbidding micronational engagement for Talossan citizens. Though the reasoning is clear in your platform, I ask how this policy is in any way compatible with the 5th Covenant of Rights in the Orglaw. The guarantee of free assembly seems to preclude this policy. To tell individual citizens what they are and are not permitted to do in their spare time, and whom they are allowed to do it with, strikes me as highly invasive and, at heart, InOrganic.

Well, while I believe this question deserves a fuller answer than this, for now, I will simply say that the laws in question predate the creation of the RUMP by many years, and their inOrganicity has never been challenged in court. Should they ever be challenged in court and found inOrganic, I guess what you can take from the RUMP's platform is that it would look for and implement alternative ways to achieve the same end-result that helps our nation.

(( Hool ))

[Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu]

May 23, 2012 12:46:40 GMT -6 Hooligan said:

My question concerns the 3rd policy of your platform, forbidding micronational engagement for Talossan citizens. Though the reasoning is clear in your platform, I ask how this policy is in any way compatible with the 5th Covenant of Rights in the Orglaw. The guarantee of free assembly seems to preclude this policy. To tell individual citizens what they are and are not permitted to do in their spare time, and whom they are allowed to do it with, strikes me as highly invasive and, at heart, InOrganic.

Well, while I believe this question deserves a fuller answer than this, for now, I will simply say that the laws in question predate the creation of the RUMP by many years, and their inOrganicity has never been challenged in court. Should they ever be challenged in court and found inOrganic, I guess what you can take from the RUMP's platform is that it would look for and implement alternative ways to achieve the same end-result that helps our nation.

The RUMP would still, should restricting micronational involvement be declared inOrganic, pursue policies to deny Talossan citizens the right of free assembly and association? How do you square this with the "governs least" stance also held by the RUMP?

Naturally, we want our fellow Talossans to spend their energies building our great nation! I don't think that anybody will deny this. And yet I'm not sure that limiting Organically guaranteed rights is the way to do it!

[Hooligan]

This is all theoretical, of course, as I don't think I am prepared to grant the argument that the law is inOrganic, and even so, it's not for me to decide, but for the Corts. But to answer your question:

The RUMP would still, should restricting micronational involvement be declared inOrganic, pursue policies to deny Talossan citizens the right of free assembly and association?

You changed my words, which had been:

...it would look for and implement alternative ways to achieve the same end-result that helps our nation.

And according to our platform, one end-result (with which you agree) is that Talossans be devoted to King and Country and that they use their nation-building skills for Talossan purposes. Again, this is theoretical, but if such a result cannot be encouraged through legislation, then the "alternative ways" the RUMP would seek would be otherwise than through legislation.

Also according to our platform, a second end-result that would need to be worked toward in some alternative fashion (should the micronational membership ban be ruled inOrganic) is the protection of our integrity as the kind of entity we are, separate in important ways (as the RUMP believes) from the mass of micronations of the world. By "protection of our integrity" I mean some way to stop what (in my experience handling immigration lo these many years) would be the upswell of immigrants just passing their fourteenth birthday, seeking their thirtieth micronational citizenship in the last three weeks, who will forget all about Talossa as soon as they receive citizenship, because by then they are on the fiftieth one (that's in the rare case they don't have one or two of their own).

If Talossa is seen as just another micronation that anyone can join and add to their collection, we will soon have our citizens pulling Talossa into the silly fake "wars" that those groups have with each other. The RUMP doesn't want to make Talossa one of those kind of things, but if the door is opened wide and micronationalists clamor in and slowly begin to outnumber us...wow, I do sound xenophobic, huh?...well, the point is, that's not the future the RUMP wants for Talossa.

(( Hool ))