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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 18, 2012 16:07:22 GMT -6
Heralds: The badge for the Senats and Cosa were defined decades ago by RC7 and RC26, as can be read in the 1996 National Archives. They consist predominantly of the crowned portcullis, described as in RC7 as an "ancient heraldric sign for the legislature as the bulwark of the people." While this is certainly true, it has this meaning thanks to the longstanding use of the United Kingdom Parliament, which has not just the same emblem, but the exact same image as their badge. While I knew about this, I only now have noted that the image used by King Ben so many years ago must have been lifted from a British document of one sort or another. This might be old news to the members of the College, who are in general savvier than myself. But if not, it seems as though we might want to consider a slight reformation of this badge, rather than trying to just co-opt poor Albion's, and even if we do not change it, we certainly must switch to a non-copyrighted standard depiction. I submit this notion humbly, however, and ask your guidance at your convenience. |
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Post by Ián Tamorán S.H. on Apr 28, 2012 16:21:27 GMT -6
This is not a formal legal opinion, but since the stated symbols are not being used in the United Kingdom the copyright restrictions within that kingdom do not apply to Talossa, a foreign nation. Moreover, the symbol of the crowned portcullis is so old that there is strong precedent for its being in the public domain. But I repeat, this is not a formal legal opinion.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on May 9, 2012 5:44:07 GMT -6
Maybe you're right! I certainly don't know. I am sure that crowned portcullises probably can't be copyrighted, I was just pointing out that this specific and exact depiction of a crowned portcullis is the same one used by the UK and was to all likelihood simply traced by King Robert I at the time of adoption, since all other symbols created at the time were drawn freehand. So regardless of whether or not it's legal, it doesn't seem very polite. But again: I am neither a lawyer nor a herald. Just thought it bore mentioning.
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Post by Óïn Ursüm on May 9, 2012 6:15:39 GMT -6
Maybe you're right! I certainly don't know. I am sure that crowned portcullises probably can't be copyrighted, I was just pointing out that this specific and exact depiction of a crowned portcullis is the same one used by the UK and was to all likelihood simply traced by King Robert I at the time of adoption, since all other symbols created at the time were drawn freehand. So regardless of whether or not it's legal, it doesn't seem very polite. But again: I am neither a lawyer nor a herald. Just thought it bore mentioning. I agree. We should put our own spin on the symbols: maybe a portcullis supported by two squirrels? |
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Post by Ceváglh Scurznicol on May 16, 2012 22:23:13 GMT -6
Just don’t make the squirrels support a porticullis with a California-mission-style bell on top.
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Post by Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN on May 17, 2012 12:48:42 GMT -6
Perhaps even a Taco Bell Bell?
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Nov 14, 2012 0:03:05 GMT -6
I repeat my objection to our use of the United Kingdom's portcullis picture. I don't think there's anything wrong with our general employment of that imagery, but that specific picture was obviously the UK's long before Ben selected it as the Cosa and Senats emblem.
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Post by Hooligan on Nov 27, 2012 20:09:56 GMT -6
If we change it, I sign on to Litz's suggestion, directly opposing Ceváglh's, that we plagiarize from Taco Bell instead of the British Crown.
RLH
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Nov 21, 2019 19:19:24 GMT -6
I repeat my objection to our use of the UK's portcullis picture.
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Post by Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN on Nov 22, 2019 11:04:52 GMT -6
I repeat my objection to our use of the UK's portcullis picture. £50,000 and it's all yours! Reference Link |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Nov 22, 2019 11:06:44 GMT -6
Love it.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Nov 22, 2019 14:48:27 GMT -6
I cannot believe you referenced the Daily Mail. Hahahaha, good heavens.  |
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Post by Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN on Nov 22, 2019 15:37:05 GMT -6
I cannot believe you referenced the Daily Mail. Hahahaha, good heavens. I originally wanted to reference The Times, but that article is behind a paywall. The only 2 options then from my lazy googling was The Sun and The Daily Mail. I don't engage with The Sun after its notorious coverage of the Hillsborough disaster, and I got a good chuckle out of the sensationalized Daily Mail article, so I went with the lesser of two evils  |
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