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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Oct 30, 2008 11:41:35 GMT -6
Can the Hon. King, and the Minister of Foreign Affairs please explain how Mr. Alexander Davis can "terminate" my position as Ambassador to the Republic of Finland - and just with a PM?
No official letter of termination?
No seals, signatures, nothing...
No proper protocol followed in this matter...
Kind regards,
Tony Weckström
President of the DPD
Ambassador to Finland (until the King and Foreign Minister says otherwise)
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Post by King John on Oct 30, 2008 11:48:49 GMT -6
Actually, the King doesn't have anything directly to do with the appointment or removal of Ambassdors. That would be up to the Foreign Minister or the Prime Minister.
— John R
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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Oct 30, 2008 12:02:01 GMT -6
So I expect to hear from the Minister of Foreign Affairs, that my appointment has been cancelled. And also why? Until then, a simple PM is not acknowledged. The Foreign Minister can fax me the official letter of termination from the Ambassadorial post, the proper documents to be presented to the head of state of Finland explaining my leaving of my post as Ambassador in the host country. (FAX: +120 666 656 34) Actually, the King doesn't have anything directly to do with the appointment or removal of Ambassdors. That would be up to the Foreign Minister or the Prime Minister. — John R |
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Post by Ieremiac'h Ventrutx on Oct 30, 2008 12:02:54 GMT -6
Although I am neither the King or the Minister of Foreign Affairs (one has yet to be appointed) please allow me to explain this for you.
Mr. Davis was acting for myself, in sending you a PM rather than a more public disclosure of why you were being removed in your position as ambassador. As this is not the proper place for this discussion I will allow Mr. Davis to continue his discussion with you in private.
You are in fact officially removed from your position as Ambassador to Finland. You may, of course, make the matter public if, on reflection, you feel that it would be in your best interests to do so.
I will send a fax to you shortly.
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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Oct 30, 2008 12:33:33 GMT -6
This is a very strange situation, that the Prime Minister should have the power to remove the Ambassadors of Talossa assigned to foreign countries... Usually it should then be TOGETHER with the Minister of Foreign Affairs, BUT ALWAYS with the "blessing" of the head of state. In fact it is hardly ever the Prime Minister that has anything to do with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - and in doing what you are doing now, you are stepping on the toes of the Foreign Ministry...That is the way it works in the United Kingdom, and in Finland. The UK is a constitutional monarchy, and Finland a Republic. Is Talossa then to be considered to be a completely different form of government??? The Prime Minister (you), in my interpretation of the Organic Law, do not have the power to remove from my position as Ambassador. The Diplomatic Corps, to which Ambassadors belong, fall under the jurisdiction of the FOREIGN MINISTER, not the Prime Minister. Therefor, I do not acknowledge your decision, and will retain the title of Ambassador, until receiving the letter of termination with other letters according to proper protocol by fax, signed and sealed BY THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS. Kind regards, Tony Weckström Royal AMBASSADOR to Finland President of the DPD Although I am neither the King or the Minister of Foreign Affairs (one has yet to be appointed) please allow me to explain this for you. Mr. Davis was acting for myself, in sending you a PM rather than a more public disclosure of why you were being removed in your position as ambassador. As this is not the proper place for this discussion I will allow Mr. Davis to continue his discussion with you in private. You are in fact officially removed from your position as Ambassador to Finland. You may, of course, make the matter public if, on reflection, you feel that it would be in your best interests to do so. I will send a fax to you shortly. |
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Oct 30, 2008 12:40:19 GMT -6
The Prime Minister (you), in my interpretation of the Organic Law, do not have the power to remove from my position as Ambassador. The Diplomatic Corps, to which Ambassadors belong, fall under the jurisdiction of the FOREIGN MINISTER, not the Prime Minister. Yeah, he does have the power to remove the Foreign Minister and the Prime Minister: www.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=Statute&act=36RZ17The Cabinet shall consist of the officers listed below: 1. The Seneschál, heading the Prüma Ministrà (Prime Ministry), is responsible for the overall operation and performance of the government, and shall perform all duties assigned to his office by Organic Law. All other Cabinet officers are appointed by the Seneschál (Prime Minister), serve at his pleasure, are responsible to him, and derive their powers from him. Accordingly, anything that any Minister can do (officially), the Seneschál may (if he desires) do himself.
2. The Distáin, who shall serve in the Prime Ministry as deputy to the Seneschál, and shall perform such duties as are delegated to him by the Seneschál. All acts thus delegated and performed shall have the same effect as if performed by the Seneschál himself. 2. F. The Foreign Minister, heading the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who shall provide diplomatic relations between the Kingdom and the other nations of the world. The Ministrà dels Afáes Útphätseschti (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) shall establish and maintain all embassies, consulates, and other missions to foreign states, and shall provide each with properly accredited diplomatic or consular staff (including ambassadors, consuls, attachés, spies, and other officers) and administrative and technical staff. 5. All governmental employees other than the Cabinet officers shall retain their offices through changes of government, but may be dismissed at any time by the Seneschál or by any superior officer within the ministry, in accordance with such regulations as may be adopted by or under the authority of the Seneschál. Whenever there is a vacancy in any position without a qualified deputy, the individual holding the position immediately superior to the vacant position shall be responsible for the performance of all duties assigned to the vacant position. |
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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Oct 30, 2008 12:51:03 GMT -6
If the Prime Minister has all these powers, then he has more powers than the King, and the Cosa is also powerless... We are thus de facto now living under a tyrant, whom can decide on all affairs of the government... Are we now sure we chose the right Prime Minister to this office?! I would like the Hon. Prime Minister to OPENLY (as we are democratic, right?) to say WHY I have been removed (fired) from the position of Ambassador to Finland? Have I somehow misrepresented Talossa, or otherwise done something to deserve to be fired from the post? Is there another Ambassador already chosen to Finland, and if so, is the person someone the Prime Minister knows as a friend, relative or other close relation? What is the position of the King? What is the position of the Cosa? What is the position of the honored citizens of Talossa? Tony WeckströmRoyal Ambassador to Finland (apparently ex-ambassador) President of the DPD The Prime Minister (you), in my interpretation of the Organic Law, do not have the power to remove from my position as Ambassador. The Diplomatic Corps, to which Ambassadors belong, fall under the jurisdiction of the FOREIGN MINISTER, not the Prime Minister. Yeah, he does have the power to remove the Foreign Minister and the Prime Minister: www.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=Statute&act=36RZ17The Cabinet shall consist of the officers listed below: 1. The Seneschál, heading the Prüma Ministrà (Prime Ministry), is responsible for the overall operation and performance of the government, and shall perform all duties assigned to his office by Organic Law. All other Cabinet officers are appointed by the Seneschál (Prime Minister), serve at his pleasure, are responsible to him, and derive their powers from him. Accordingly, anything that any Minister can do (officially), the Seneschál may (if he desires) do himself.
2. The Distáin, who shall serve in the Prime Ministry as deputy to the Seneschál, and shall perform such duties as are delegated to him by the Seneschál. All acts thus delegated and performed shall have the same effect as if performed by the Seneschál himself. 2. F. The Foreign Minister, heading the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who shall provide diplomatic relations between the Kingdom and the other nations of the world. The Ministrà dels Afáes Útphätseschti (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) shall establish and maintain all embassies, consulates, and other missions to foreign states, and shall provide each with properly accredited diplomatic or consular staff (including ambassadors, consuls, attachés, spies, and other officers) and administrative and technical staff. 5. All governmental employees other than the Cabinet officers shall retain their offices through changes of government, but may be dismissed at any time by the Seneschál or by any superior officer within the ministry, in accordance with such regulations as may be adopted by or under the authority of the Seneschál. Whenever there is a vacancy in any position without a qualified deputy, the individual holding the position immediately superior to the vacant position shall be responsible for the performance of all duties assigned to the vacant position. |
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Post by Ieremiac'h Ventrutx on Oct 30, 2008 12:51:55 GMT -6
FAX SENT: 12066665634 10/30/2008 1:45:58 PM
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Oct 30, 2008 12:56:14 GMT -6
Tony:
"Are we now sure we chose the right Prime Minister to this office?!"
With all do respect, you are not a Member of the RUMP party.
The RUMP party is the Majority Party, they get to chose the Party Leader, and the Party Leader , with the assent of the RUMP Regulars, then choose the Prime Minster.
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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Oct 30, 2008 12:57:14 GMT -6
Fax received. I am now titled Ex-Royal Ambassador / President of the DPD You also mentioned that I will be facing charges in the Talossan Courts. As an accused, I would like to know the charges, or do you have some reason to not disclose that information. FAX SENT: 12066665634 10/30/2008 1:45:58 PM |
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Post by Ieremiac'h Ventrutx on Oct 30, 2008 13:48:43 GMT -6
Fax received. You also mentioned that I will be facing charges in the Talossan Courts. As an accused, I would like to know the charges, or do you have some reason to not disclose that information. Tony, a criminal charge has been filed by the govt but that there's no case unless and until the Cort accepts it, and then you will be notified at that point. Until this issue is resolved you are removed from your position as an official representative of Talossa. If the post is still vacant and the government fails to fulfill it's obligation to the cort, you may seek reinstatement to the position. |
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Oct 30, 2008 19:29:08 GMT -6
All I'd like to say is that criminal charges, failure to recognize the new government, and accusing our Prime Minister of being a dictator for reshuffling the government don't exactly help your case of being reassigned.
In the eyes of the courts, or the citizens.
Just saying.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Oct 30, 2008 21:59:15 GMT -6
You have been notified of your dismissal by myself - acting with full authority of my office and that of the Prime Minister, and then your unreasonable and rude demand for a specific method of dismissal was also met very kindly by our new Seneschal.
I'm afraid the government does not comment on ongoing criminal investigations, S:reu Weckstrom. You will be notified according to the workings of the courts and with due process.
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Post by Cole Schneider on Oct 31, 2008 5:43:36 GMT -6
accusing our Prime Minister of being a dictator. Psh- He called him a tyrant not a dictator, silly! |
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Post by Owen Edwards on Oct 31, 2008 7:32:05 GMT -6
Ah yes, that does make all the difference.
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