Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
Posts: 7,325
Talossan Since: 7-12-2005
Motto: PRIMA CAPIAM POCULA
Baron Since: 11-20-2005
Count Since: 9-8-2012
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Post by Hooligan on Mar 19, 2006 8:14:59 GMT -6
WHEREAS the English language enjoys a majority status among the citizens and residents of the Kingdom of Talossa, and WHEREAS the English language enjoys a similar status on the island of Ireland, and WHEREAS this has sadly relegated the native language of both lands to a minority status, and WHEREAS in both cases this is a sociological tragedy, and it has placed these proud native languages at some serious jeopardy of extinction, and WHEREAS this engenders in the people of the Kingdom of Talossa a cultural kinship with the people of the island of Ireland, now THEREFORE be it resolved and enacted by the Ziu that: - The Irish language is hereby made a
n official secondary language of the realm,
- The citizens of Talossa are encouraged by this body to learn and use the Irish language, or at least some of the more colourful phrases thereof
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Furthermore, encouragement is given to combine into the Talossan language Irish words, phrases, and styles of speech, as for example eschewing the word "Üc" ("Yes") in favor of a complete sentence containing a verb, such as "It is," "He will," and "Sure and I am."
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Sir Samuhel Tecladeir
Citizen since 8-22-2005; Knight since 10-23-2006
If you don't rock the boat, no one will know it's sinking.
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Post by Sir Samuhel Tecladeir on Mar 20, 2006 16:44:20 GMT -6
I'm sorry, Baron; but I must disrespectfully agree with you. Wait; stop that; reverse that. A majority speak English. The major minority speak Talossan. Logically, it would conclude that these two languages should compose the linguistic composition for our Kingdom.
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
Posts: 7,325
Talossan Since: 7-12-2005
Motto: PRIMA CAPIAM POCULA
Baron Since: 11-20-2005
Count Since: 9-8-2012
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Post by Hooligan on Mar 20, 2006 17:03:50 GMT -6
Perhaps we must disagree to agree. Wait; stop that; reverse that; no, never mind, either way is fine. This act is a symbolic recognition of the Irish language; nothing I know of says that a nation may only have one or two official languages. If the majority speak X and most of the rest speak Y, does this mean that Z cannot be officially recognized? I think not.
Hooligan
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King John
King of Talossa
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Knight Since: 11-30-2005
Motto: COR UNUM
King Since: 3-14-2007
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Post by King John on Mar 20, 2006 17:54:15 GMT -6
My Lord — and it has placed these proud native languages at some serious jeopardy of extinction While this may be true of Talossan, Irish seems in pretty good shape, as languages go. (I'm a bit worried about Cornish, but Irish is doing just fine.) This may be Inorganic. Article II Section 6 says: The sole historic and national language of the entire Talossan people is the Talossan language (el glheþ Talossán). The Cosâ and Government may make provision to conduct their affairs in such language as they shall determine. I'm not certain that a "secondary official language" would violate this section, but it might. Non. Talossan is a Romance language. Wholesale incorporation of Gaelic words — even if we could accomplish it, which given that the Kingdom is not exactly a hotbed of Talossan-language expertise, we couldn't — would not be a good thing. Talossan, like other Romance languages, has words for "Yes" and "No", and uses them freely. Learn and use Irish, by all means, but don't mix it up with el Glheþ.— John Woolley, UrN
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Post by Mataiwos Nanamavéu on Mar 21, 2006 14:43:36 GMT -6
Azul,
S:reu Woolley, you said that:
Well, this is not quite true, as the Irish Language is in fact, a language that will be a "dead" language by the year 2015, if the current rate of decline continues, thus the language is at some serious jeopardy of extinction.
I think that this Act of Linquistic Solidarity is a great thing as it will allowand motivate people to learn the Irish language as well as the Talossan language,
Thus, this Irish languae can be an alternative to those who wish to be different, who long to communicate in a langauge other than English or to speak a language of their fore fathers/mother and can be something that we as a nation do to help protect a dying language.
So, agree with this act and help keep that which is dying alvie and kicking, vote in favour of this act.
Slain go Foill
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
Posts: 7,325
Talossan Since: 7-12-2005
Motto: PRIMA CAPIAM POCULA
Baron Since: 11-20-2005
Count Since: 9-8-2012
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Post by Hooligan on Mar 21, 2006 17:17:08 GMT -6
I am certainly open to changes to the draft law (altering it ensure Organicity, and to change or remove the language encouraging the Irishing-up of Talossan itself), but I do want to press this bill forward and have Talossa do something to recognize Irish. As Matthew Tumulty said, even the EU has refused to recognize Irish, essentially saying it need not exist. Talossa should argue the opposite.
Hooligan
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
Posts: 7,325
Talossan Since: 7-12-2005
Motto: PRIMA CAPIAM POCULA
Baron Since: 11-20-2005
Count Since: 9-8-2012
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Post by Hooligan on Mar 24, 2006 17:43:12 GMT -6
In hopes of making the draft bill presented in this thread less objectionable, I have modified it by removing the final clause, which was intended simply to provide informal (and certainly unenforceable) encouragement to Talossans to consider Irish when growing our own language and when turning phrases in it.
Additionally, I have reduced the emphasis on the official status being proposed for the Irish language here in the Kingdom.
Comments continue to be welcomed.
Hooligan
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Sir Samuhel Tecladeir
Citizen since 8-22-2005; Knight since 10-23-2006
If you don't rock the boat, no one will know it's sinking.
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Post by Sir Samuhel Tecladeir on Mar 25, 2006 17:25:08 GMT -6
Couldn't we just officially encourage people to use the language as a sister language and then strike all the stuff about it being secondary? I'm all for preserving it; I just feel that if we make it secondary, tertiary or even hundredary (if that's a word), then I feel compelled to learn it and I can't afford the time to pursue that as much as I'd like.
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Post by Max Sklar on May 25, 2006 16:18:48 GMT -6
The EU has now recognized Irish officialy. It is the 21st language they have recognized. Irish should be perserved through this nation, but there are so many other languages that deserve to be perserved and promoted. Perhaps a group seperate from the government could be established that promoted the Irish language within the nation. This would make it fair to other languages, becuase they could establish thier own groups as well. The government could then give full support to these groups. I still would vote for this bill becuase the irish language does deserve all the help it can get, yet I think other languages deserve similar treatment, so cultural groups promoting them would make things more fair, and would add more flavour to the kingdom.
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Ian da Bitour
Talossan since 3-11-2006
President of Royal Bank and Post
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Post by Ian da Bitour on May 26, 2006 9:31:21 GMT -6
The EU shall recognized Bulgarian officially at 01.01.2007, when Bulgaria, will be full member of EU (I hope so)
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