AFFT #2: Team Names and Possessives?

[Trotxâ]

In El Glheþ, the "possessive", "ownership" and "belongs to" rules are (to me) very complex and confusing. This is critical because in Football (either Gridiron or Berber) a team is traditionally associated with a town or territory. In English we say "the Denver Broncos", not "The Broncos of Denver". How this is done in Talossa is unclear.

Should the correct form of a team's name be Teamname OF Province, or Teamname OWNED BY Province or just Provence Teamname? How is the hair split between OF (as in coming from) and OWNED BY? I don't see any precedents, but I'm sure that this has come up in the past.

I hope the experts can tell us how this should work. Perhaps S:reu Yassine Khalifi can advise us on how this is done in the ancestoral homeland. I plan to edit my team name once we have a clear precident.

Also - Anyone want to translate the current team names and post them here? It would be interesting to see if what we think we have is what we really have!

Trotxâ

[Hooligan]

My belief (and I do not claim any expertise) is that names of teams could be of any of the following forms:

• Placename Teamnames (Denver Broncos, Mussolini Monstéirs)
  
• Teamnames of Placename (Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, Virancléirs da Vuode)
  
• Placename's Teamnames (Hooligan s'Ereux)
  
• Teamname (Crimson Tide, Pugñhs Ôirësch)
  

In our fantasy football league, the Ôirësch and the Estiuns do not claim a placename in their name. In this, they are like the Kangaroos of the Australian Football League.

Hooligan

[Hooligan]

Could some speakers of other Romance languages comment here, and please enlighten us as to how the teams in their native nations are named? That is, are the Venice Vermicelli named the Vermicelli di Venizia? Or the Venizia Vermicelli?

Hooligan

[King John]

Well, here's my tubbence.

In Spanish, the pattern follows "Los Cardinales de San Luís", "Los Mets de Nuevo York", as a quick glance at ESPNDeportes.com will tell you. (Yes, Virginia, I read Spanish-language béisbol coverage; it can be a long cold winter if the only sports you read is English. You find yourself actually trying to fall back on football, or even hockey, to feed that emptiness in your heart and mind, as you wait for the pitchers and catchers to report to camp.) Italian works the same way. Romance languages don't use nouns to directly modify other nouns, the way English and German do.

So "Els Monstéirs da Mussolini", or "Mussolini", or "Els Monstéirs" — any of those would be fine. But not "Els Mussolini Monstéirs".

— John Woolley, UrN

[Hooligan]

Well, what do you know? Seems kind of cumbersome -- personally, of course, I think the convenience of allowing a placename to be an adjective in such cases works very well. As we know, Talossan has roots not only in Romance languages, but elsewhere, so I suppose custom will dictate whether Mussolini Monstéirs becomes another way, in Talossan, to say Els Monstéirs da Mussolini?

As for Hooligan s'Ereux, that's proper Talossan (well, "Hooligan" is not Talossan; rather, it is the translation of Tepistà), and acceptable as a team name, right, Sir John?

Hooligan

[Bleic'h Ianescu]

Well, I seemed to have caused quite a stir with my team name. I would like to say in my own defense that I threw it together with about 4 seconds of thought and the online translator.

So it seems the agreed upon(sort of) good Talossan of my team is Els Monstéirs da Mussolini, though I doubt I can change it now.

[Hooligan]

(Actually, you definitely CAN change the name of your team in the league at any time. Me, I went through three different team names before deciding on Hooligan s'Ereux.)

Hooligan