Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 9, 2008 8:43:12 GMT -6
That looks pretty nice!
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Trotxâ
Talossan since 10-17-2005; Knight since 11-5-2006
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Post by Trotxâ on Feb 9, 2008 9:17:56 GMT -6
Is this the page we are on?
Vert a dexter hand argent throughout maintaining a rose gules barbed and seeded vert on a chief engrailed argent a torteau between a crescent and a decrescent gules. [/center][/size][/quote] We're getting there. It looks better, but I'm worried about complexity (again). I get 9: Tinctures: 3 = Argent, Vert, Gules Ordinary: 1 = Chief Charges: 5 = Hand, Rose, Increscent, Decresent, Torteau I ask the Fellows to please check my count. Note: A crescent has the opening pointing up. I'm jealous that this petitioner would be getting the torteau that I wanted between the cross and chalice in chief on my own arms. Anyone who has driven west approaching 4th Street on Grand Avenue in our shared hometown would know why I wanted the torteau to complete my design. In remembrance of the only stoplight in Laramie? ;D -- JSH, SKA
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
Posts: 9,636
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Motto: Nonnisi Deo serviendum
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 9, 2008 10:16:23 GMT -6
We're getting there. It looks better, but I'm worried about complexity (again). I get 9: Tinctures: 3 = Argent, Vert, Gules Ordinary: 1 = Chief Charges: 5 = Hand, Rose, Increscent, Decrescent, Torteau I ask the Fellows to please check my count. That's a good question. In the SCA (not a national heraldic authority, but their practice is often instructive), decrescents and increscents need not be separately counted toward complexity because they are of the same charge type (crescents). It's like having two animals of the same type addorsed. Similarly, I saw a blazon where a "mask of tragedy" and "mask of comedy" were treated as being of the same charge type (masks), therefore counting together as a single complexity point. Of course, that blazon had a complexity of twelve, even with that allowance.
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
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Post by Hooligan on Feb 9, 2008 17:05:03 GMT -6
I thank the Squirrel King for his correction. The blazon has been corrected so that the improper term ("crescent") now is replaced with the proper term ("increscent").
Columcille
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Feb 9, 2008 19:11:57 GMT -6
Anyone who has driven west approaching 4th Street on Grand Avenue in our shared hometown would know why I wanted the torteau to complete my design. You mean here? Instead of pointing at true north, it looks like 4th Street might be oriented towards magnetic north. Or maybe it is just paralleling the railroad?
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
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Post by Hooligan on Feb 9, 2008 20:03:23 GMT -6
Yep, right there. And what is surprising to me is that you cannot see in this photograph that the eastern slope of the roof of the building on the northwest corner of that intersection (which is the St. Laurence O'Toole Roman Catholic Church) is emblazoned in fess, a Latin cross, an annulet, and a chalice sable. ObTalossa: Click the link above and see a photo of Fr. James Schumacher, who supped with Aspra, Roibaird, and I (and about two dozen other La Mha's and unrelated persons) for Thanksgiving 2007. Father James sat next to me at dinner, and from being present there has learned of both Talossa and el glhetg. Hooligan P.S. And yep; swing west four blocks for proof positive that the streets align with the tracks of the UPRR.
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Post by Aspra Roseta Laira on Feb 9, 2008 22:16:55 GMT -6
I'm jealous that this petitioner would be getting the torteau that I wanted between the cross and chalice in chief on my own arms. Anyone who has driven west approaching 4th Street on Grand Avenue in our shared hometown would know why I wanted the torteau to complete my design. Columcille I think you mean 3rd Street, right? Are you talking about the church on the left, the sun (or stop light -- not the only one in town) in the center and the bar on left. 4th Street left now has our town newspaper, the Boomerang. As for the latest design, I ABSOLUTELY ADORE it. I beg the Squirrel King of Arms to please consider it without any further changes and accept it based on the rules of heraldry quoted below: II. 1. a. Complexity Rule, Paragraph 2: But exceptions to this rule may be allowed, if the overall visual effect is one of artistic unity rather than of over-complexity. I believe that is the case with this design. It looks less complex than it did with the stalked rose. The rose gules honors my favorite color! Please consider making an exception to the complexity rule because there is artistic unity in this design. I humbly beseech the College of Arms, Aspra Rosetta Laira
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
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Post by Hooligan on Feb 9, 2008 22:27:27 GMT -6
No, I mean 4th Street. St. Laurence is on the northwest corner of Grand and 4th. The Boom is on the southwest corner, the old library on the northeast corner.
(Apologies to all readers of this discussion who don't care.)
Hooligan
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Feb 9, 2008 22:27:45 GMT -6
"St. Laurence O'Toole Roman Catholic Church)"
Was he any relations to Peter O'Toole?
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Post by Aspra Roseta Laira on Feb 9, 2008 22:40:02 GMT -6
"St. Laurence O'Toole Roman Catholic Church)" Was he any relations to Peter O'Toole? I always thought so. We also have another Catholic church in town called the Newman Center; I was sure had been named for Paul. Hooligan, I understand now. I assumed the chalice was a symbol for a bar, so I was trying to find it on the corner of 4th and Grand. I almost got in my car in search of it. (More apologies to people who could care less about this.)
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King John
King of Talossa
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Post by King John on Feb 10, 2008 8:34:54 GMT -6
Vert a dexter hand argent throughout maintaining a rose gules barbed and seeded vert on a chief engrailed argent a torteau between an increscent and a decrescent gules. The hand shouldn't be "throughout", nor is it "maintaining" the rose. I reblazon thus: Vert, issuant from base a dexter hand argent charged with a rose gules barbed and seeded vert and on a chief engrailed argent a torteau between an increscent and a decrescent gules. And I agree about counting the two crescents as one for complexity purposes. — former Blanc Wolf Herald
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Feb 10, 2008 17:45:22 GMT -6
And I agree about counting the two crescents as one for complexity purposes.
— former Blanc Wolf Herald The advice of Blanc Wolf Herald Emeritus is always appreciated. -- Jaune Sabre Herald, Squirrel King at Arms
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