Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 6, 2008 9:15:33 GMT -6
The Squirrel King's suggestion sounds nice. Here's another design I thought of, which Lord Hooligan helped me emblazon and which incorporates most of the elements you wanted: | Vert a bar wavy azure fimbriated argent, in chief a decrescent argent and a sun in its splendour or. |
You could also consider "canting" arms - arms that suggest your surname. Since your surname is Molinar, which means "miller," you could incorporate a windmill or a millrind into your arms. Or maybe a cross moline (moline, as you might guess, is a French word related to Talossan molinar).
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Flip Molinar
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Post by Flip Molinar on Feb 6, 2008 12:35:29 GMT -6
I like this design too but could the sun be a little friendlier looking? I don't mean to be a pest, but the sun symbolizes a joyous new day. I would be intrested in seeing how a mill could be incorperated into this design. Thanks again.
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Feb 8, 2008 0:50:59 GMT -6
Vert a bar wavy azure fimbriated argent, in chief a decrescent argent and a sun in its splendour or. I get a complexity of 8: four tinctures, three charges and the fimbriation. Unfortunately, this doesn't leave room for anything else. -- JSH, SKA
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 8, 2008 8:55:18 GMT -6
Right, something else would have to be taken out to add a mill -- like either the sun or the moon.
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Flip Molinar
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Post by Flip Molinar on Feb 8, 2008 16:02:08 GMT -6
Right, something else would have to be taken out to add a mill -- like either the sun or the moon. I like it how it currently is. as much as, I would like a mill, if it goes against the code, I can live without it.
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Feb 10, 2008 17:39:46 GMT -6
I like this design too but could the sun be a little friendlier looking? I don't mean to be a pest, but the sun symbolizes a joyous new day. I would be intrested in seeing how a mill could be incorperated into this design. Thanks again. At this point, the better thing to worry about is the overall design. The expression of the sun isn't mandated, but just happens to be what the artist used to help visualize your blazon. Of course, if you can suggest a heraldic sun with an expression more to your liking, I'm sure the College will be all ears. -- JSH, SKA
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Flip Molinar
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Post by Flip Molinar on Feb 10, 2008 17:47:54 GMT -6
If the sun must stay as it is, that is fine. I am no good at art so the current design is fine by me.
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Hooligan
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Post by Hooligan on Feb 10, 2008 18:46:47 GMT -6
Well, the point the Squirrel King was making is that your sun can have any kind of expression you want it to have. Heraldry originated in the day when a damaged or destroyed shield would have to be repaired or replaced very far from home. Persons who bear arms were able to present (to shield painters all over the world) the description (in words) of their arms in a consistent way and each of these different and dispersed persons would paint "a sun in its splendour" in his own way.
Similarly, the reason why the colours allowed in heraldry are so few is because in those days paint had to be mixed on the spot using whatever natural ingredients each paint-maker had available and chose to use to produce each colour. Given this, there is no way "red" (gules) was consistent from place to place (and this is why you see many different shades of green on Talossan arms, all simply blazoned "vert").
In other words, just because one painter paints a sad face on a "sun in its splendour" this does not mean that another equally valid version of the same arms could not have a grinning sun. As long as both can be recognised, at a distance, as "the sun in its splendour", the details don't matter.
If (as seems very unlikely) you ever find yourself on a battlefield with a shield bearing your arms, the people fighting on the same side you are will certainly recognise your arms (hopefully before they fire a bunch of arrows your way) as being yours, no matter what expression the face on the sun has.
Of course, the arms borne by Talossan citizens are more decorative gifts of a benevolent King than symbols to be carried into an archaic form of military battle, but the origin of the art and science of heraldry remains.
Columcille
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Flip Molinar
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Post by Flip Molinar on Feb 10, 2008 18:59:55 GMT -6
In that case, if the sun could smile while the rest of the design remains in tact, that would be great.
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Hooligan
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Post by Hooligan on Feb 10, 2008 19:02:53 GMT -6
Well, like I say, whether the sun smiles or not, the design is the same; what is truly important is the description in words (the blazon), not any specific pictorial depiction of those words (the emblazon). I think you are saying that you are happy with the blazon, and wish to submit it for the approval of the College.
Hooligan
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Post by Flip Molinar on Feb 11, 2008 17:27:19 GMT -6
I think you are saying that you are happy with the blazon, and wish to submit it for the approval of the College. Hooligan Precisely so. ;D
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