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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Oct 8, 2007 10:28:09 GMT -6
Amen V, also, if you look at all the flags of the countries of the world, I'd say more than half of them have more than three colors on them.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Oct 8, 2007 10:49:38 GMT -6
I may catch some flak for this, but I cannot say that I entirely like removing 2 of the 5 colours from our flag. I do not understand why we must be restricted to 3 colours if the colours we are using are simple ROYGBIV. It is not like we're going through the crayola box to find the most absurd colours. The three-colour rule isn't absolute, but it's a good rule of thumb. As Dreu pointed out, there are quite a few national flags with more than three colours. But even of those, a significant majority have a fourth colour and no more. And the fourth colour is usually pretty minor -- a white star on a flag that's primarily red, blue, and yellow, etc. Your proposed flag has six colours. Don't forget the sword: you can't really describe it as a white sword on white, can you? Black is necessary to outline it, at least. Amen V, also, if you look at all the flags of the countries of the world, I'd say more than half of them have more than three colors on them. Less than half of national flags, more like 40%. They tend to be the newest and least distinctive flags of the world. The ones that are easiest to recognise and remember follow the traditional rules. That, of course, is the reason the rules evolved in the first place.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Oct 8, 2007 11:49:26 GMT -6
South Africa has 5.... it's pretty memorable The Flags of the World website's official flag has 6 colors and it's the largest site devoted to vexillology Portugal has 7 Spain has like 10
you get the picture...
All of those definitely aren't new countries So yeah
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Oct 8, 2007 12:10:12 GMT -6
South Africa has 5.... it's pretty memorable The Flags of the World website's official flag has 6 colors and it's the largest site devoted to vexillology Portugal has 7 Spain has like 10 you get the picture... All of those definitely aren't new countries So yeah Spain and Portugal aren't new countries, but 1) Portugal's flag is a new one, adopted in the 20th century when they became a republic and 2) the coat of arms on Spain's flag is optional. As defined in the Spanish constitution, it's just a red and yellow triband. You've hit on one of the big exceptions to the simplicity rules, though. A simple flag with a coat of arms stuck on it is a common theme that can excuse an otherwise overcomplicated design.
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Post by Trotxâ on Oct 8, 2007 12:14:40 GMT -6
South Africa has 5.... it's pretty memorable Portugal has 7 Spain has like 10 Since we are stooping to rampant informality, like, let me like ask a quick question. Like, how many of those countries would like be governed by the like North American Vexillological Association? Have like either you or V like even read the like Good Flag, Bad Flag web page? Have you like visited the like web page for the like The Royal Academy of Vexillology to review the suggestions? you get the picture...
All of those definitely aren't new countries So yeah So like yeah - have you any idea how much your persistent informality, rampant chattering and disrespectful speech like devastates any goodwill you might reasonably expect here? -- The Like Gold Thing Squirrel Dude Guy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2007 12:17:42 GMT -6
Dreu,
I do not want to justify our current design with a "but if they have it why can't we" type attitude. Perhaps we can compromise. As Cresti pointed out, a coat of arms on an otherwise simple design is excuseable... So we could always shrink the birds and sword to fit into the white (thus not conflicting with any colors) and use it as a coat of arms. Therefore, all colours are kept and every party is happy. How does that sound to the college?
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Oct 8, 2007 12:38:07 GMT -6
Okay, here goes: 1. I apologize esteemed Squirrel King, my post was out of line with the formality level of the College of Arms. 2. Here's the new updated flag: I ask the squirrel king to please respond to this new flag with comments and suggestions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2007 13:59:30 GMT -6
South Africa has 5.... it's pretty memorable Portugal has 7 Spain has like 10 Since we are stooping to rampant informality, like, let me like ask a quick question. Like, how many of those countries would like be governed by the like North American Vexillological Association? Have like either you or V like even read the like Good Flag, Bad Flag web page? Have you like visited the like web page for the like The Royal Academy of Vexillology to review the suggestions? you get the picture...
All of those definitely aren't new countries So yeah So like yeah - have you any idea how much your persistent informality, rampant chattering and disrespectful speech like devastates any goodwill you might reasonably expect here? -- The Like Gold Thing Squirrel Dude Guy Sir Toxta, As I have stated, your opinion is very much valid. And if you have another idea on the layout of the flag, being as you yourself are a citizen of Vuode, you can very well either post it here or email us privately. We value your input! But please, try and keep your composer when informing others to keep theirs. Stooping to a lower level does not help to get any person's point across. You had already put your request in for more formality, next time I would advise you to make the matter private and not attempt to publically embarass someone. Finally, it is not whether or not the webpage was read. *I* was asking what the problem is with more than 3 colours? I, personally, do not agree with a "simple flag is a good flag." This is not the Occam's Razor of flags. Sometimes a simplistic flag does not portray in entirity what is trying to be symbolized. I thank you for your help with this. Minister Viteu
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Dec 15, 2007 15:35:13 GMT -6
Esteemed College, The last Voudean flag caused some trouble, so I beg an audience to submit another flag (with two different variations). The first being this one: Note that there are six colours in this one. The second being this: Note that there are four colours in this one which is more in accordance with the College's standards. The sybolism for these flags is as follows: The Finnish flag on the first one represents our Finnish name. Then, at the bottom we have both Ben's and Dan's arms. This shows the two oldest and most influential Vuodeans, neither of whom who are now in Vuode, but both of them influenced it greatly and I believe that they should be respected for that. I ask you to please help improve this design if you do not like it. However, if you do like it, could I request a blazon? I graciously thank you for your time, Alexandreu Gavártgic'h
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Post by Trotxâ on Dec 16, 2007 16:44:42 GMT -6
Esteemed College,
The last Voudean flag caused some trouble, so I beg an audience to submit another flag (with two different variations).
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Note that there are four colours in this one which is more in accordance with the College's standards.
The sybolism (sic) for these flags is as follows: The Finnish flag on the first one represents our Finnish name. Then, at the bottom we have both Ben's and Dan's arms. This shows the two oldest and most influential Vuodeans, neither of whom who are now in Vuode, but both of them influenced it greatly and I believe that they should be respected for that.
I graciously thank you for your time, Alexandreu Gavártgic'h Azul Gavártgic'h - While the College of Arms is frantically busy now preparing for the deadline for our Independence Day petition to His Majesty, the protocols of the College demand that we answer your request. Here are a few issues to consider about your request: First, you need permission to use the arms of others in any form (flag, crest, achievement or badge). If you truly wish to move forward on this design, the College will ask you for evidence that you have this permission. Second, your first suggestion has too many colours. Third, (and your Squirrel King will admit this this is a purely philosophical observation) the use of the former King's personal arms will probably be viewed at best as insulting and at worst as provocative. While it is your right to make such a proposal, you should realize that other, more senior and tenured citizens and non-citizens might view this inclusion as "fighting words". It can be hard for recent immigrants to understand the depth of the feelings that many experienced citizens have about the ex-king. A quick reading of the voluminous Oracla archives complied by S:reu Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h should give you a taste for the strength of these emotions. Finally, your suggestion has created a great deal of confusion about the consistency of your ideals and your party's stated position. As a founder of the LRT, you should know that your party has embraced a plank calling for " Unifying the Kingdom and Republic". I'm only guessing now, but two years of experience interacting with the people who split off from the Kingdom suggests that none of them would be pleased to have the former King's arms waved in their faces while being asked to consider reunification. As heralds, the College stands officially neutral on issues like this. Others not bound to this standard of neutrality are welcome to share their thoughts on this contentious issue. Please be aware that a team of Vuodean citizens has privately contacted the College with a proposal for a new flag. This group has agreed to wait until the College is not under pressure before submitting their proposal. We of the College remain at your service. Sincerely, -- Jaune Sabre Herald, Squirrel King at Arms
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Dec 16, 2007 16:47:20 GMT -6
Esteemed College,
The last Voudean flag caused some trouble, so I beg an audience to submit another flag (with two different variations).
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Note that there are four colours in this one which is more in accordance with the College's standards.
The sybolism (sic) for these flags is as follows: The Finnish flag on the first one represents our Finnish name. Then, at the bottom we have both Ben's and Dan's arms. This shows the two oldest and most influential Vuodeans, neither of whom who are now in Vuode, but both of them influenced it greatly and I believe that they should be respected for that.
I graciously thank you for your time, Alexandreu Gavártgic'h Azul Gavártgic'h - While the College of Arms is frantically busy now preparing for the deadline for our Independence Day petition to His Majesty, the protocols of the College demand that we answer your request. Here are a few issues to consider about your request: First, you need permission to use the arms of others in any form (flag, crest, achievement or badge). If you truly wish to move forward on this design, the College will ask you for evidence that you have this permission. Second, your first suggestion has too many colours. Third, (and your Squirrel King will admit this this is a purely philosophical observation) the use of the former King's personal arms will probably be viewed at best as insulting and at worst as provocative. While it is your right to make such a proposal, you should realize that other, more senior and tenured citizens and non-citizens might view this inclusion as "fighting words". It can be hard for recent immigrants to understand the depth of the feelings that many experienced citizens have about the ex-king. A quick reading of the voluminous Oracla archives complied by S:reu Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h should give you a taste for the strength of these emotions. Finally, your suggestion has created a great deal of confusion about the consistency of your ideals and your party's stated position. As a founder of the LRT, you should know that your party has embraced a plank calling for " Unifying the Kingdom and Republic". I'm only guessing now, but two years of experience interacting with the people who split off from the Kingdom suggests that none of them would be pleased to have the former King's arms waved in their faces while being asked to consider reunification. As heralds, the College stands officially neutral on issues like this. Others not bound to this standard of neutrality are welcome to share their thoughts on this contentious issue. Please be aware that a team of Vuodean citizens has privately contacted the College with a proposal for a new flag. This group has agreed to wait until the College is not under pressure before submitting their proposal. We of the College remain at your service. Sincerely, -- Jaune Sabre Herald, Squirrel King at Arms I thank you for your comments and I will also wait until the College is no longer under pressure before following through with my proposal. Alexandreu Gavártgic'h
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