Election commentary

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Don't jinx it!

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mbenzschawel said:

mick said:

That is probably how things work.

And, I imagine that every time it does, those that have been around for awhile grump and gripe about the "New Kids not understanding" too.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but I know I'm included among the "New Kids."

But since the voting age in Talossa is 15, shouldn't the "New Kid's" views be embraced and debated on because we represent, albeit a small portion, of the Talossan voting body. If this is truely representative, the "New Kid's" views should be at least listened to.

Compare it to a minor party in the US political system, while we might not have the best ideas, we have ideas that can be embraced (or mutilated, burned, destroyed, etc.) by the "Old People" to make small adjustments to legislation that makes the legislation even better.

For example, say there wasn't a Green Party. Would the Republicans and Democrats spend as much time debating about CO2 emmisions and global warming?

It's these small things the "New Kids" can bring to the table.

I would like to say I'm not one of those crazy "New Kids." At the risk of being misinterpreted, I'll still say, I don't want to be one of the "New Kids" who will have to put an apology in his signature for being to radical to fast before assimilating into Talossa succesfully.

All in all, I just ask everybody "New Kids" and "Old People" included to listen to the views of everybody peacefully even if you don't personally agree with somebody's views.

Politicians of other countries can't name call and be overly frusterated because they're in the spot light. If the Witt is the spotlight of Talossa, it's shining on all of us.

Us "New Kids" just need a while to adjust our eyes.

I think a majour factor to take into consideration is that, unlike coming into Talossa fresh, many of us have been exposed to our countries politics our entire lives. Even if one is not a political person, it is hard not to be exposed. Plus, the political system is taught in schools going back to the 3rd grade, so when we are old enough to vote, we hve some understanding and have some stance on issues, well those of us who do vote.

When one comes into Talossa, their knowledge maybe limited at best. The new kids also might be bringing something up that has been dealt with already. not to say their voice is any less valuable, but a fair amount of time, like say even a month after citizenship, of feeling things out, getting to know talossans of various parties and what various parties stand for, would not only level the4 playing field for all parties involved, it would help newer talossans make even more informed decisions. Also, if these discussions took place on the public forum, it would help "veteran" Talossans or "older" talossans (no age implied) get familiar with newer younger parties.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

vitooliver said:

When one comes into Talossa, their knowledge maybe limited at best. The new kids also might be bringing something up that has been dealt with already. not to say their voice is any less valuable, but a fair amount of time, like say even a month after citizenship, of feeling things out, getting to know talossans of various parties and what various parties stand for, would not only level the4 playing field for all parties involved, it would help newer talossans make even more informed decisions. Also, if these discussions took place on the public forum, it would help "veteran" Talossans or "older" talossans (no age implied) get familiar with newer younger parties.

You make a good point. It's harder than it used to be, because in the past Ár Päts was generally accepted as an official history of Talossa. So all the prospective had to do was read Ár Päts and they'd be able to quickly get a sweeping overview of Talossan history. Over the past several years, though, awareness of that book's inadequacy increased, to the extent that we have made practically no use of Ár Päts since King Robert I abdicated, and I for one have soured on the idea of "official histories" altogether. Basically, Talossa needs historians to make it easier for newcomers to assimilate.

[Owen Edwards]

Viteu, in many countries there's no formal early years education about politics and the state of the nation - and indeed, though it is by no means unique, the US is the prime exponent of such a system within western democracy. However, from my own experience of it (as a 'wink and an observer), it's not so much education as indoctrination. Indoctrination with a good end purpose, to an extent, certainly, but being taught the oath of allegiance is nothing to do with understand the political context of the 50 full members plus territories comprising the proto-federal United States.

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I recall learning the difference between Republicans and Democrats, having to memorize all 50 states, the bill of rights, preamble to the constitution, founding of our nation, the various compromises, the testing of states rights, memorizing the state capitals, learning about the various state governments, electoral college, the latter amendments, when states began to allow their citizens to vote for senators, etc.... all in public school from about 3rd grade on.

I do not think there are political sciences majors who fully understand the political complexity of the United States, look at the astonishing and wonderful surprise New Hampshire was! But, people who graduate high school are theoretically supposed to have a basic understand of civil duty and the purpose of voting.

I would not say the United States is alone in teaching this to her youth, Europe is pretty good, especially the Scandinavian countries. But also understand, democratic roots go back 200+ years in the United Statey.

[Breneir Itravilatx]

I don't think that it can be safely assumed that teaching civics is a high priority in most schools in America particularly not starting in elementary school. For that matter, I don't think that science and math are high priorities either.

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i didn't say it is a high priority in school Beneir, what I said was that it is taught.

Whether or not a person wishes to take the knowledge and apply it is up to them, but it is there.

[Owen Edwards]

Viteu:

Were you taught about electoral colleges at the age of 7 and 8? When did learning the reasoning behind the precise thinking and mode of the Constitution and its Amedments occur?

And yes, some European nations do have such systems to some extent; indeed, I specificlaly recognize that fact. But the US has the most comprehensive system of civic "education" in the world, and is the most famous example of it.

And yet it elected Bush twice...

[Owen Edwards]

Also, Dan Lorentz voted LRT - which adds to Sir Fritz's. Presumably a tactical vote in lieu of the presence of DOTT, so as to establish a credible sized opposition party.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

owenfsf said:

Also, Dan Laurentz voted LRT - which adds to Sir Fritz's. Presumably a tactical vote in lieu of the presence of DOTT, so as to establish a credible sized opposition party.

WITTIQUETTE RULE 12: Use only Talossan names for people who prefer to use them.



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[Owen Edwards]

But I wouldn't be using a Talossan name, I'd be using Danihel Laureir Yes, I am that lazy.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

owenfsf said:

Also, Dan Lorentz voted LRT - which adds to Sir Fritz's. Presumably a tactical vote in lieu of the presence of DOTT, so as to establish a credible sized opposition party.

Yeah, that's big news. Plus the fact that we're now at 58 votes. The SoS will give us the magic 59. Could we beat 60?

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

siervicul said:

owenfsf said:

Also, Dan Lorentz voted LRT - which adds to Sir Fritz's. Presumably a tactical vote in lieu of the presence of DOTT, so as to establish a credible sized opposition party.

Yeah, that's big news. Plus the fact that we're now at 58 votes. The SoS will give us the magic 59. Could we beat 60?

That is presuming the SoS can count...unlike some others I've heard about

[Trotxâ]

mbenzschawel said:

Poor us over in Mussolini, we have 4 people with strikes (many with 2 already) and then two more people who haven't voted yet. So Mussolini is about to shrink even more than it already is.

With a population that small, perhaps the new name should be "Muss".

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

alexandreu said:

That is presuming the SoS can count...unlike some others I've heard about

Hey, don't be hard on yourself. Gematriyah is tricky, and my name is long.