World War I brewing among micronations!

[Mr. Tony Weckström]

No problem. It's good to hear opinions of other Talossans, obviously more experienced with the law...

Wouldn't want to make any mistakes at this level, as a representative of Talossa...

So thanks to all!

agbdavis said:

Okay that is fine I didn't mean to give you a hard time.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

sorry, just trying to give this issue a "light-hearted" spin

[Hooligan]

I would like to publicly thank His Majesty's Royal Ambassador to Finland for his conscientous work. As the so-called "Man" in this conversation, I state for the record that I am very happy with S:reu Weckström's diligent adherence to our nation's laws. Although I would not (as "The Man") ever tell S:reu Weckström (or anyone in my government) to jump off a cliff, the legally-constrained foreign policy of this nation -- to deal only with nations that are members of the United Nations or of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization -- has not in any way been breached by the esteemed Ambassador. He has -- just as I have done countless times -- handled such approaches from micronations with politeness and kindness, offering the informal friendship of the people of Talossa to those who are involved in these micronational projects.

I believe that the subject of this thread (concerning a micronational "war" of some kind) is further support for the legal position of this nation. Just as the Mexican or Chinese government are uninterested in whether Bitovia comes out victorious against Elsanor (in a "war" of -- what? -- rhetoric, name-calling, and insults?), Talossa too doesn't really care, but wishes these micronations well as they enjoy the identities they have created for themselves.

Hooligan
"The Man"

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

sorry Lord Hooligan...

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

I wasn't reffering to you as "the Man" but to the "powers that be" that seem to control TW's every move.

[Hooligan]

No worries at all, Alexandreu. The Ambassador, like all members of the government, is indeed controlled by the "powers that be", which are our nation's Organic and statutory laws, as passed by our elected legislators and assented to by His Majesty.

Hooligan (who referred to himself as "The Man" up there mostly because it sounds cool)

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

lol

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

It seems that the Grand Duchy of Elsanor made some rude comments about the Principality of New Texas including revoking recognition of their government because the PNT refused to honor article V of their agreement which stated that His Highness, the Prince of New Texas shall assume his position within the Grand Duchy of Elsanor’s Nobility as “Baron of Anders”, and furthermore, shall supply no less than three candidates to Elsanor’s William Bartram Naval Academy in order that they may be trained in the arts of naval warfare, thereby aiding the Principality of New Texas in the defense of her sovereignty and dignity. These candidates to be supplied and enrolled in the naval academy no later than 14 days after the conclusion of this treaty of mutual friendship and peace. Their course of study to be completed within thirty days after the time of enrollment. And, in reaction to this revoking the PNT declared war on the GDE and then the nations of the Mirage Islands and British West Florida were dragged into the war because of mutual protection treaties with each respective country. Currently, British West Florida and the Principality of Vikesland are trying to mediate talks between the two sides.

Sides

GDE/BWF vs. PNT/MI
with PV mediating

[Cjara B]

alexandreu said:

It seems that the Grand Duchy of Elsanor made some rude comments about the Principality of New Texas including revoking recognition of their government because the PNT refused to honor article V of their agreement which stated that His Highness, the Prince of New Texas shall assume his position within the Grand Duchy of Elsanor’s Nobility as “Baron of Anders”, and furthermore, shall supply no less than three candidates to Elsanor’s William Bartram Naval Academy in order that they may be trained in the arts of naval warfare, thereby aiding the Principality of New Texas in the defense of her sovereignty and dignity. These candidates to be supplied and enrolled in the naval academy no later than 14 days after the conclusion of this treaty of mutual friendship and peace. Their course of study to be completed within thirty days after the time of enrollment. And, in reaction to this revoking the PNT declared war on the GDE and then the nations of the Mirage Islands and British West Florida were dragged into the war because of mutual protection treaties with each respective country. Currently, British West Florida and the Principality of Vikesland are trying to mediate talks between the two sides.

Sides

GDE/BWF vs. PNT/MI
with PV mediating

I'm a bit lost will some one tell me what is now being talked about on this board? I fallowed just fine up tell this post.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

Oh, I decided to actually find out what was going on with this "micronational world-war" so I did a sort of news story on it.

[Deleted]

So here is a question... why do we have laws preventing people from holding "dual citizenship" with other micronations if we ourselves are not a micronation? To truly hold ourselves above that esteem, we cannot deny our citizens the right to citizenship in a micronation if we are not one ourselves. Either we are a micronation or a nation, we cannot have it both ways.

That being said, we cannot formally recognize a micronation, but by denying citizens dual citizenship, we are recognizing them as a de facto legimate micronation.

[King John]

Even though there's nothing inherently wrong with micronationing as a hobby, it's nevertheless true that Talossa, uniquely among the nations of the world, could be significantly harmed by our citizens' participating in micronations. Our population is quite small, scattered all around the world, and we conduct our civil life largely by email and Internet forum, which means that on-line more-or-less nation-like things ("micronations") might competing with Talossa for the time and attention and patriotic fervour of our citizens. There is a LOT for Talossans to do for their (real) country, which can be done mostly using the same talents and time that a "micronation" might occupy.

— John R

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

vitooliver said:

So here is a question... why do we have laws preventing people from holding "dual citizenship" with other micronations if we ourselves are not a micronation?

King John makes some excellent points. Another thing to consider is that a lot of "micronationalists" tend to join multiple micronations. The fact that someone would want to be a Talossan citizen and belong to one or more micronations at the same time is a hint that they consider Talossa to be just another micronation, and citizenship in Talossa to be part of their micronational hobby. The "dual citizenship" law helps avoid misunderstandings like that. There may be a better way to phrase it, though.

[Deleted]

I am not arguing against the law, I personally support it. I am merely pointing out that we are, in some way, recognizing micronations by not allowing our citizens to hold citizenship in them. Moreover, by not allowing them in "other" micronations, in some regards, we are saying we are just that, a micronation. It's the wording I'm questioning, not so much the actual laws.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

I agree, how about instead of: no dual citizenship. No micronational citizenship