[Scribe] Work begun in earnest on catching up on the Digest

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

As of about a minute before I began this post on Witt XI, I finished my first attempt at getting the 51st Cosâ and all its bills to the Digest of Laws. The results of my labour may be had at wiki.talossa.com/Acts_of_the_51st_Cos%C3%A2

Next week, I will get to the 52nd Cosâ and week following, I will get to the 53rd, thereby bringing us up to where we need to be, even if the current presentation for the 51st Cosâ may be rudimentary on my part...and on my part only - again, I say, under the hood, the work many have put into the Wiki since its inception in regard to templates, etc. is truly remarkable, and for all these individuals, I have a new respect.

For the longest time, I avoided working on the Digest because I did not have the time to take a deep-dive and learn at least the most-basic rudiments of Wikicode in regard to tables (and everything else, actually). Once I was able to take the few days necessary to get the fundamentals of how the templates work, I was able to fashion everything to my own needs, resulting in blocks of code I can copy/paste into each Clark and bill page.

And yes, I am putting every Cosâ on its own page. The original single page with every single Clark listed has become too unwieldy, imho, and eventually, you all will find each Cosâ having its own page linked from the original page on which all the Clarks were once to be found. Of course, I have not in regard to tables and templates reinvented the wheel and will adhere as much as possible to that which has gone before.

The bill template asks for what laws, if any, said bill amends. That is easy to put together. What will be a far-bigger challenge is bringing together how said bill as a law has been amended. The amount of pure data on our legal legacy in Talossa is immense, and I have a new understanding of why, on a far-greater scale, the laws of the U. S., Texas, etc. all have books on top of books on top of books on top of more books that synthesize the previous books, plus commentaries, and the list goes on and on...

It is only in the last day or two I have finally figured out why we need the Digest on the Wiki. It serves as 1. a secondary source in case the Database goes south and 2. keeps to what I believe is the goal of the Wiki in bringing all Talossan information and history to a single, archivable, digital place.

In time, the Digest will be caught up, and for the long delay in getting to this, I offer my apologies. And in time, a far-greater over-arching project will, now I see, emerge: getting the Scribery in far-greater order and more-beautiful and in a more-efficient presentation to, invisibly, help keep running the legal machine that powers the framework on which, partly at least, we in Talossa shape our society, how it works, and how we deal with each other.

GV, Scribe

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

I urge you, please, to also make the Digest complete, even if you have them on their individual pages. It is only a tiny bit more work, since can copy and paste the content of the individual pages into the Digest (minus the frequent Scribe's notes), and it's important to actually have a complete record in one place if you're actually looking for a bill. I speak as someone who has at times needed to find a law or a group of laws. The database is terrible for that purpose. You can't find anything on it unless you already know where you're looking. Making our Digest all individual pages will also make it harder to look through. We'll be able to search using the search function on the wiki, but you won't be able to easily browse (which sometimes you need to do).

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

If you don't want to do this, I feel strongly enough to volunteer as a deputy to do it myself.

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

Jan 9, 2020 12:59:58 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

I urge you, please, to also make the Digest complete, even if you have them on their individual pages. It is only a tiny bit more work, since can copy and paste the content of the individual pages into the Digest (minus the frequent Scribe's notes), and it's important to actually have a complete record in one place if you're actually looking for a bill. I speak as someone who has at times needed to find a law or a group of laws. The database is terrible for that purpose. You can't find anything on it unless you already know where you're looking. Making our Digest all individual pages will also make it harder to look through. We'll be able to search using the search function on the wiki, but you won't be able to easily browse (which sometimes you need to do).

Thank you for this! I think the next two Clarks will go much faster than this one. I must have really sounded like a wimp in the last post. :-O

If I am to be Scribe (and it does dovetail nicely with my Archivist work), I need to be able to get this stuff done and learn how to be effcient with it.

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

Jan 9, 2020 13:00:28 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

If you don't want to do this, I feel strongly enough to volunteer as a deputy to do it myself.

If I cannot get the thing caught up this week, I'll holler. :-)

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

I was honestly not sure if anyone used the Digest or not, actually. Now, I know. :-)

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

I think most everyone involved in the law does. I mean, it's kind of hard to even link to a bill on the database. It's a really good tool for tabulating votes and keeping records of votes, but it's not well suited for some other things.

[Glüc da Dhi]

What is the status of the Orglaw on the wiki? It appears to still be the old one.

Edit: nothing to see here, apologies for the confusion

[Lüc da Schir]

The OrgLaw doesn't get amended until this summer, or until a bill is passed to change the deadline. This could have happened last month and might still happen this month.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Oh right, my mistake. Please ignore my earlier post in that case.

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

Jan 29, 2020 5:22:41 GMT -6 Lüc da Schir said:

The OrgLaw doesn't get amended until this summer, or until a bill is passed to change the deadline. This could have happened last month and might still happen this month.

AD et al, since the OrgLaw is being amended as heavily as it is, I'm strongly inclined to begin a brand-new page for it and 'archive' the current one. - GV, Scribe

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

One of the virtues of a wiki is that the old version will be automatically archived, and the history of the page will be a snapshot of what the OrgLaw was at any particular point of time. So a future lawsuit or historian or legislator can just click on the "view history" tab and look at how it's changed, either from one moment to another or over the course of any chosen span of time. You're the Scribe and I can't tell you what to do, but it seems like the easiest thing is probably to just edit it as it sits and click save, as with any previous change. If at the time you feel like you don't have enough spare time to do it, I will be happy to help.

[Eðo Grischun]

Jan 29, 2020 8:34:17 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

One of the virtues of a wiki is that the old version will be automatically archived, and the history of the page will be a snapshot of what the OrgLaw was at any particular point of time. So a future lawsuit or historian or legislator can just click on the "view history" tab and look at how it's changed, either from one moment to another or over the course of any chosen span of time. You're the Scribe and I can't tell you what to do, but it seems like the easiest thing is probably to just edit it as it sits and click save, as with any previous change. If at the time you feel like you don't have enough spare time to do it, I will be happy to help.

This. Please. A second page will be less useful than an edited page on the Wiki. It's far, far easier to 'view history' and see the changes side-by-side on the same page than it is to compare two pages over two windows or tabs.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Jan 9, 2020 11:13:52 GMT -6 Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h said:

As of about a minute before I began this post on Witt XI, I finished my first attempt at getting the 51st Cosâ and all its bills to the Digest of Laws. The results of my labour may be had at wiki.talossa.com/Acts_of_the_51st_Cos%C3%A2

Next week, I will get to the 52nd Cosâ and week following, I will get to the 53rd, thereby bringing us up to where we need to be, even if the current presentation for the 51st Cosâ may be rudimentary on my part...and on my part only - again, I say, under the hood, the work many have put into the Wiki since its inception in regard to templates, etc. is truly remarkable, and for all these individuals, I have a new respect.

For the longest time, I avoided working on the Digest because I did not have the time to take a deep-dive and learn at least the most-basic rudiments of Wikicode in regard to tables (and everything else, actually). Once I was able to take the few days necessary to get the fundamentals of how the templates work, I was able to fashion everything to my own needs, resulting in blocks of code I can copy/paste into each Clark and bill page.

And yes, I am putting every Cosâ on its own page. The original single page with every single Clark listed has become too unwieldy, imho, and eventually, you all will find each Cosâ having its own page linked from the original page on which all the Clarks were once to be found. Of course, I have not in regard to tables and templates reinvented the wheel and will adhere as much as possible to that which has gone before.

The bill template asks for what laws, if any, said bill amends. That is easy to put together. What will be a far-bigger challenge is bringing together how said bill as a law has been amended. The amount of pure data on our legal legacy in Talossa is immense, and I have a new understanding of why, on a far-greater scale, the laws of the U. S., Texas, etc. all have books on top of books on top of books on top of more books that synthesize the previous books, plus commentaries, and the list goes on and on...

It is only in the last day or two I have finally figured out why we need the Digest on the Wiki. It serves as 1. a secondary source in case the Database goes south and 2. keeps to what I believe is the goal of the Wiki in bringing all Talossan information and history to a single, archivable, digital place.

In time, the Digest will be caught up, and for the long delay in getting to this, I offer my apologies. And in time, a far-greater over-arching project will, now I see, emerge: getting the Scribery in far-greater order and more-beautiful and in a more-efficient presentation to, invisibly, help keep running the legal machine that powers the framework on which, partly at least, we in Talossa shape our society, how it works, and how we deal with each other.

GV, Scribe

So it seems like you're really going ahead and abandoning the complete Digest of Laws, opting instead to make a new page for each Cosa. I am really unhappy about this decision, and I will offer to do the work for you if you please change your mind and keep the useful version instead.

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

First off, AD, an apology for inadvertently editing your post by putting in my reply. I should not be able to edit other people's posts.

Secondly, I am sloooowly getting the Digest in order. The original page with all the Clarks up to the 50th Cosâ is still active, but I am linking newly-entered Cosâs onto separate pages from the 51st onward. This is because in my estimation the original page is getting too big.

That being said, it may be you and others *want* everything literally on one page. If that is the case, let me know, please, and I'll get everything put together.