53rd Cosa, 5th Clark - September 2019 - Results

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Summary

53th Cosâ, Clark #5 results		Amendment?	Ziu	Cosâ				Senäts
Bill	Title		Result	Për	Contrâ	Abstain	Result	Për	Contrâ	Abstain	Result
RZ24	The Efficient Justice Bill	No (double majority needed)	Pass	145	16	20	Pass	5	2	0	Pass
RZ25	The What Do Secretaries Do All Day? Act	No (double majority needed)	Pass	165	16	0	Pass	6	0	1	Pass
RZ26	The Bartholomew Cubbins Act	No (double majority needed)	Fail	76	105	0	Fail	4	3	0	Pass
VOC	Vote of Confidence		Pass	149	32	N/A	Pass

Cosâ Member Votes

#	Name	Province	Party	Seats	RZ24	RZ25	RZ26	VOC
317	Béneditsch Ardpresteir	Maricopa	RUMP	16	Për	Për	Për	No
256	C. Carlüs Xheraltescù	Fiova	FREEDEMS	16	Për	Për	Contrâ	Yes
519	Cresti da Ion Nouacastra-Läxhirescu	Maritiimi-Maxhestic	AMP	13	Për	Për	Për	Yes
330	Eiric Börnatfiglheu	Benito	FREEDEMS	17	Për	Për	Contrâ	Yes
282	Eovart Xhorxh	Maricopa	RUMP	16	Contrâ	Contrâ	Contrâ	No
412	Erschéveþ (Ely) da Schir	Benito	MODRADS	20	Për	Për	Për	Yes
493	Jordan Placie	Maritiimi-Maxhestic	AMP	13	Për	Për	Për	Yes
101	Martì-Paír Furxhéir	Atatûrk	FREEDEMS	16	Për	Për	Contrâ	Yes
114	Miestrâ Schivâ	Fiova	FREEDEMS	20	Për	Për	Contrâ	Yes
315	Munditenens (Dien) Tresplet	Maricopa	FREEDEMS	20	Abstain	Për	Contrâ	Yes
494	Þon Txoteu É. Davinescu	Maricopa	AMP	14	Për	Për	Për	Yes

Number of Cosâ Members : 11

Senator Votes

Province	#	Name	RZ24	RZ25	RZ26
Atatûrk	432	Sevastáin Pinátsch	Për	Për	Për
Cézembre	527	Thor Deyaert	-	-	-
Florencià	63	Ieremiac'h Ventrutx	Contrâ	Abstain	Contrâ
Maricopa	140	Cresti Matáiwos Siervicül	Contrâ	Për	Për
Maritiimi-Maxhestic	466	Ian Plätschisch	Për	Për	Për
Benito	328	Lüc da Schir	Për	Për	Për
Vuode	187	Viteu Marcianüs	Për	Për	Contrâ
Fiova	96	Gödafrïeu Válcadác'h	Për	Për	Contrâ

The following members did not vote and risk losing their seats if they miss the next vote:
Thor Deyaert (Senator, Cézembre)

[King John]

Regarding 53RZ24, the Efficient Justice Bill, I draw the attention of the Ziu to two of its provisions:

13.1. Any citizen of Talossa who has satisfied the Ministry of Justice of their knowledge of Talossan law and jurisprudence, and of their good character, may be recommended to the King to be named as a Justice of the Peace.

and

13.4. All justices of the Cort pü Inalt shall fulfil at least the same qualifications as to legal knowledge as a Justice of the Peace.

The interaction between these renders the Bill inOrganic, and possibly very unwise to boot.

If section 13.4 is to be interpreted as meaning anything at all (besides a simple aspiration "Gee, it'd be nice if the Justices knew some law"), it has to be interpreted as a restriction either on who may be *appointed* to the Cort, or on who, once appointed, can go on serving.

Now there's no way a statute can limit the Organic prerogative of the Cosa to nominate or approve anyone they want to. So the restriction *can't* be a restriction on the election. Any member of the Ziu nominates, two-thirds of the Cosa and a majority of the Senate approve, and at this point it can't *matter* whether the Ministry of Justice is satisfied with the nominee's knowledge of law. He's been elected; he'll be appointed. So says the OrgLaw.

BUT, there's another way this pernicious provision could come into effect — or at least that someone could *argue* that it had come into effect. The Ministry of Justice could announce that it is not "satisfied" that some particular *sitting* Justice has sufficient knowledge that he could be appointed a JP. And at that point, this law would *seem* to say that the Justice can no longer serve on the Uppermost Cort; which would violate OrgLaw XVI.1 as to how Justices can be removed from office.

In short 13.4 is one of three things — either it's meaningless, or it's an inOrganic limitation on the Ziu's right to appoint Justices, or it's an inOrganic means by which a Justice might be ousted.

13.4 should be deleted (at which point I'd be happy to sign this Bill), or reworded in some harmless way. Meanwhile,

Ça el Regeu non piaça.

— John R

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

After discussions with the other Cosa parties, it is clear that there is no 2/3 majority to override this Royal veto.

Therefore I will re-submit the Efficient Justice Bill to the next Clark with section 13.4 removed.