Joint Statement on RZ19

[Lüc da Schir]

JOINT STATEMENT by the Government of Talossa and Lüc da Schir, Senator from Benito

Hear Ye, the following:

1. We acknowledge that some important points concerning RZ19, the New Draft of the Organic Law, have been raised since this bill was Clarked. We think it is unfortunate that they were not raised during the Constitutional Convocation, but a good point is a good point whenever it was raised.

2. We recognize that certain functions of the Monarch which were left out of the New Draft are important ones to many Talossans, and that there should be guarantees that they will not simply be erased, even if left out of the Organic Law.

3. Notwithstanding the above, the New Draft as a skeleton and a broad outline is significantly superior to the existing 1997 Organic Law structure, and deserves on balance to be enacted, if assurances can be given that lately discovered issues will be dealt with before it comes into effect.

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THEREFORE Senator da Schir is now undertaking to vote PER on RZ19, on the understanding that if RZ19 is enacted by the Ziu and by Referendum, the current Government will support the following in the next Ziu:

a) a Joint Committee, composed of all Senators and a number of MCs roughly proportional to each party's strength in the Cosa, to propose fixes and amendments to the new OrgLaw, to be enacted if possible before it comes into effect;

b) a Royal House Law to be added to El Lexhátx, codifying prerogatives of the Monarchy such as the Privy Council, heraldry, titles and pardons.

Released today, February 13th 2019/XL,

The Mençei and HM's Government

[Glüc da Dhi]

Why not first fix the bill and then pass it? Ensures that the things you want to be fixed are actually the same things that others want to fix. Ensures that the right fix is available and agreed upon. That way you know what you are voting for.

Same for all the lexhatx fixes that still need to happen actually.

Also same with the convenants that may very well be repealed.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

No, Gluc, you don't get it. There will be a convention to fix the results of this convention, including the deep problems we cruelly delayed in noticing. So it's all fine!

[Munditenens Tresplet]

I think this is a great idea, I only hope that RZ19's greatest detractors will participate in the committee more than they did the convention!

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Feb 13, 2019 6:37:37 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

Why not first fix the bill and then pass it?

We tried.

RUMP/Davinescù deliberately sabotaged the process.
You didn't think we "meant it" about presenting it on this Cosa.

Please understand, Mr SoS, that you are being taken for a ride by someone with no interest in a root and branch OrgLaw reform. If it wasn't this, it would be some other excuse, some other "trap" or "drama" or "lawyeristic timebomb". Now they're trying to sue you to anti-democratically rig the referendum on it. Think for yourself: are we the baddies?

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

How on earth did I sabotage it? I participated until I became disgusted that I was seemingly talking to myself, then I let you guys do your own thing. I didn't make you fill it with errors or rush to Clark it, and I'm not responsible for finding every error for you, and it's not my job to force you to read the OrgLaw so you'll know how the amendment process works.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Feb 13, 2019 14:16:18 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Feb 13, 2019 6:37:37 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

Why not first fix the bill and then pass it?

We tried.

RUMP/Davinescù deliberately sabotaged the process.
You didn't think we "meant it" about presenting it on this Cosa.

Please understand, Mr SoS, that you are being taken for a ride by someone with no interest in a root and branch OrgLaw reform. If it wasn't this, it would be some other excuse, some other "trap" or "drama" or "lawyeristic timebomb". Now they're trying to sue you to anti-democratically rig the referendum on it. Think for yourself: are we the baddies?

I don't really feel like publicly commenting on all that.

The proposal as it is has a lot of outstanding problems. Enough of them that the result as a whole might not be an improvement. My advice would be to fix those and then pass this into law, not the other way round.

[Munditenens Tresplet]

This proposal and similar ones to replace our current OrgLaw have been considered for at least the last two or three years worth of governments. Passing something to set the ball rolling is a good thing, and it will hopefully spur everyone into action to better refine it. I wouldn't call any of these revisions in the next year to be "fixes" because the real fix is the proposal itself. We shouldn't need to amend our constitutional document every six months because we've found something else that needs to be fixed, or didn't catch everything that needed to be fixed previously, or we come up with some new law or idea and find out that we can't put it in El Lexhatx without first amending OrgLaw. I don't want to be considering and passing OrgLaw amendments in a year following the passage of this proposal, because in a year from now we should have a constitutional document that withstands the passage of time--where time here means at least the length of a single Cosa term.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Leaving aside that apparently the current government and Mençei already believe a committee needs to be created to propose amendments to this new OrgLaw just to fix what is supposed to be the real fix, I can instantly think of at least 8 major reforms that could become an issue in the coming years. Already one party has decided on a platform that includes some big constitutional reform. Talossans are not suddenly going to agree on constitutional matters, regardless of whether this amendment passes or not.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Feb 13, 2019 4:55:35 GMT -6 Lüc da Schir said:

1. We acknowledge that some important points concerning RZ19, the New Draft of the Organic Law, have been raised since this bill was Clarked.

Which points in particular are important and how should they be addressed?

3. Notwithstanding the above, the New Draft as a skeleton and a broad outline is significantly superior to the existing 1997 Organic Law structure, and deserves on balance to be enacted, if assurances can be given that lately discovered issues will be dealt with before it comes into effect.

Which specific changes to the skeleton/broad outline make this draft significantly superior?