Talossan RISK game

[Ian Plätschisch]

I have a couple of questions

1) Is the capacity of the force stack functionally infinite, or do troops disappear if they have been in the stack for too long (this question is along the same line as Gluc's, but the rules have changed, so I don't know if your answer still holds)? Also, if a conqueror places one troop in one land and two troops in another, does this count as one action (if reinforcement counts as one action no matter how many troops or lands it involves), two actions (for the number of lands involved), or three actions (for the number of troops involved)?

2) If a conqueror knows in advance they will be unavailable for coming step(s), can they leave special instructions for how they want their country to operate in their absence, or must they take six random actions?

3) To be clear, after each step, the capital and all lands surrounding the capital automatically get a bonus troop?

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

Oct 3, 2016 20:33:55 GMT -6 Ian Plätschisch said:

I have a couple of questions

1) Is the capacity of the force stack functionally infinite, or do troops disappear if they have been in the stack for too long (this question is along the same line as Gluc's, but the rules have changed, so I don't know if your answer still holds)? Also, if a conqueror places one troop in one land and two troops in another, does this count as one action (if reinforcement counts as one action no matter how many troops or lands it involves), two actions (for the number of lands involved), or three actions (for the number of troops involved)?

2) If a conqueror knows in advance they will be unavailable for coming step(s), can they leave special instructions for how they want their country to operate in their absence, or must they take six random actions?

3) To be clear, after each step, the capital and all lands surrounding the capital automatically get a bonus troop?

1) The capacity of the force stack is functionally infinite. I think it's not practical to not reinforce at all. Let's set no limit for now.
During 1 reinforcement action, you can place any amount of units from Force Stack to any lands. Number of units/lands won't matter, and also, you can perform several Reinforcements during 1 step if you so wish. You're only limited by your Force Stack.

2) If a conqueror knows in advance they will be unavailable for coming step(s), he can leave special instructions, but actions done by other players may seriously jeopardize them. He can also temporarily delegate his rule to another player or Gamemaster (it is considered a fair play in this case to not deliberately undermine the opponent's country while it's under your control). But I'm actually planning to wait for everyone until it takes too long.

3) Capital and surrounding lands get bonus troops automatically during the Reinforcement action, but only once per step. Thanks for pointing this out, I've corrected the rules.

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

STEP 1.

>> The Map after Initial Registration <<

Force Stacks:

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Seresa: 12 units
New Cezembre: 12 units
Terminus: 12 units
TALC: 12 units

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First step will be declared publicly.

You can now place your Action Plans in this thread.

There is no deadline for Step 1: we're waiting for everyone.

New players are encouraged to register and place their Action Plans in Step 1.

P. S. There were some tweaks to rules about Force Stack and Move and some other things, go read. Also some clarifications added.

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

Seresa Action Plan:
1. R: (initial land), 4. [Rax]
2. Q: Rax >> (north), 3. [Sat]
3. Q: Sat >> (north), 2. [Mitt]
4. R: Mitt, 6
5. Q: Mitt >> (west), 2. [Unn]
6. Q: Mitt >> (north), 3. [Lof]
7. Q: Mitt >> (east, the upper one of them), 1. [Uni]
8. S: +Rax
9. S: +Uni
10. -

[Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H.]

TALC Action Plan

1. R: (Initial Land), 12 [Texas]
2. Q: Texas >> (North), 1 [Shard]
3. Q: Texas >> (North-East), 1 [Maine]
4. Q: Texas >> (South East), 1 [Kemal]
5. Q: Texas >> (South), 4 [Rocky]
6. Q: Texas >> (south-West), 1 [ATL]
7. Q: Texas >> (West), 1 [WTX]
8. Q: Texas >> (North-West), 1 [NWT]
9 Q: Rocky >> (South), 3 [Colorado]
10 Q: Colorado >> (West), 1 [OKL]


This is a map of my named Territories: talossa.ca/risk/phase1.png

(Colorado can be renamed [COL], and Texas [TEX] if too long.

[Glüc da Dhi]

1. R: (Initial Land), 12 [H]
2. Q: H >> (Northwest), 1 [He]
3. Q: H >> (West, no coastline), 1 [Li]
4. Q: H >> (East, no coastline), 9 [Be]
5. Q: Be >> (East), 8 [ B]
6. Q: B >> (East-Southeast, no coastline), 1 [C]
7. Q: B >> (North), 1 [N]
8. Q: B >> (South), 1 [O]
9. Q: B >> (West, coastline), 4 [F]
10. Q: F>> (Northwest, Vuode), 3 [Ne]

[Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H.]

Oct 4, 2016 4:32:21 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

1. R: (Initial Land), 12 [H]
2. Q: H >> (Northwest), 1 [He]
3. Q: H >> (West, no coastline), 1 [Li]
4. Q: H >> (East, no coastline), 9 [Be]
5. Q: Be >> (East), 8 [ B]
6. Q: B >> (East-Southeast, no coastline), 1 [C]
7. Q: B >> (North), 1 [N]
8. Q: B >> (South), 1 [O]
9. Q: B >> (West, coastline), 4 [F]
10. Q: F>> (Northwest, Vuode), 3 [Ne]

Using elements to name the areas, BRILLIANT!

[Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H.]

A few rule questions. I am playtesting this in my head and I wonder.

1 - What is a border area exactly?

Are Territories next to water always a border?
Are Territories on the edge of the map always a border?
If you leave a single unoccupied territory in the middle of your territory, does that also make the ones around it a border, enabling you to "cheat the numbers" by creating a fake border? And to set-up strongholds on them?
If not, What if it's not empty, it's from an enemy territory you left behind just so that you get a border and ability to put strongholds?

2 - When you get to 10 territories, do you get a free capital or do you need to use a capital move action?

3 - If you set up your first capital, do you need to pass from attacking on the next 5 rounds?

4 - If you need to use a capital move action for your first one, can you wait until later or do you need to do it AS SOON as you have 10 territories?

[Glüc da Dhi]

Oct 4, 2016 8:14:36 GMT -6 Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. said:

A few rule questions. I am playtesting this in my head and I wonder.

1 - What is a border area exactly?

I've been playing under the assumption that

Are Territories next to water always a border? NO

Are Territories on the edge of the map always a border? NO

If you leave a single unoccupied territory in the middle of your territory, does that also make the ones around it a border[...]? YES



I also have another question. So far I've assumed that province who touch each other on the diagonal, but don't actually border each other (of which there are a lot) are not seen as bordering each other. Is this true?

[Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H.]

Oct 4, 2016 8:19:36 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

I also have another question. So far I've assumed that province who touch each other on the diagonal, but don't actually border each other (of which there are a lot) are not seen as bordering each other. Is this true?

I am thinking that in diagonal is also touching... but not diagonally across a 4-way corner

[Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H.]

In the new rules, is there ANY bonus for controlling all of the area of a province?

In the past, it was 4 instead of 3 max.

Can we get a bonus number of reinforcements, like perhaps a bonus of 1 unit per border of the province, even if it's an inner area.

For example, Ataturk has 17 areas on it's southern border, so it would give 34 additional units Benito has 23, Cézembre has 3, etc...

this is fair because the more number of border, the harder it is to control the province. Cézembre only has 3 border areas, so it's easy to stock pile on them, while Benito has 3 large borders (North, East and South)

We should also ban having 2 players start too close to each other, ideally, in an empty province.

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

Oct 4, 2016 8:14:36 GMT -6 Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. said:

A few rule questions. I am playtesting this in my head and I wonder.

1 - What is a border area exactly?

Are Territories next to water always a border?
Are Territories on the edge of the map always a border?
If you leave a single unoccupied territory in the middle of your territory, does that also make the ones around it a border, enabling you to "cheat the numbers" by creating a fake border? And to set-up strongholds on them?
If not, What if it's not empty, it's from an enemy territory you left behind just so that you get a border and ability to put strongholds?

2 - When you get to 10 territories, do you get a free capital or do you need to use a capital move action?

3 - If you set up your first capital, do you need to pass from attacking on the next 5 rounds?

4 - If you need to use a capital move action for your first one, can you wait until later or do you need to do it AS SOON as you have 10 territories?

Thanks for asking!

1 - Definition of a borderland is: if the land shares at least an inch of a border with a foreign (free or conquered) land, then it's a Borderland. Edge lands aren't Borderlands. An unoccupied enclave makes the lands around it Borderlands. But why'd you do that? Well, the rules do not forbid that.

2 - You need to use a Capitalshift to set your Capital. I've pointed that out somewhere in rules.

3 - Yes you need to pass (so that one didn't take the Capitalshift too lightly)

4 - That was what I asked myself when I was on my way home. Let's say the Gamemaster has a duty to remind those who didn't set their Capitals to please kindly do that next step. (with 10 actions of withdrawal instead of 5).

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

Oct 4, 2016 8:19:36 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

Oct 4, 2016 8:14:36 GMT -6 Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. said:

A few rule questions. I am playtesting this in my head and I wonder.

1 - What is a border area exactly?

I've been playing under the assumption that

Are Territories next to water always a border? NO

Are Territories on the edge of the map always a border? NO

If you leave a single unoccupied territory in the middle of your territory, does that also make the ones around it a border[...]? YES



I also have another question. So far I've assumed that province who touch each other on the diagonal, but don't actually border each other (of which there are a lot) are not seen as bordering each other. Is this true?

Yes you are right about Borderlands Glüc

Yes, diagonal neighbours aren't bordering each other.

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

Oct 4, 2016 8:30:40 GMT -6 Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. said:

Oct 4, 2016 8:19:36 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

I also have another question. So far I've assumed that province who touch each other on the diagonal, but don't actually border each other (of which there are a lot) are not seen as bordering each other. Is this true?

I am thinking that in diagonal is also touching... but not diagonally across a 4-way corner

What kind of a border do you mean, Marti?

In the new rules, is there ANY bonus for controlling all of the area of a province?

In the past, it was 4 instead of 3 max.

Can we get a bonus number of reinforcements, like perhaps a bonus of 1 unit per border of the province, even if it's an inner area.

For example, Ataturk has 17 areas on it's southern border, so it would give 34 additional units Benito has 23, Cézembre has 3, etc...

this is fair because the more number of border, the harder it is to control the province. Cézembre only has 3 border areas, so it's easy to stock pile on them, while Benito has 3 large borders (North, East and South)

We should also ban having 2 players start too close to each other, ideally, in an empty province.

The bonus, yea, I completely missed that one. I love your idea, I will work on it now.

And well, empty province just goesn't guarantee anything. I think next time there will be some predetermined lands to start from, of which players will choose.

...Now, we're only waiting for Ian Plätschisch

[Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H.]

Oct 4, 2016 10:57:08 GMT -6 Alèx Soleighlfred said:

Thanks for asking! :)

1 - Definition of a borderland is: if the land shares at least an inch of a border with a foreign (free or conquered) land, then it's a Borderland. Edge lands aren't Borderlands. An unoccupied enclave makes the lands around it Borderlands. But why'd you do that? Well, the rules do not forbid that.

Someone could leave a hole so that they get more units or a stronghold in the middle of their land to slow down attackers.

Imagine the map is a grid, from rows A to Z, columns 1 to 10.

I put my Capital on B5. I conquest rows A to F. It's all MINE.

Row F is a row of Strongholds. Yeah!

Row E is ALSO a row of Strongholds. Wait, how can that be? It's behind my lines.. it's not a borderland?

Oh, that's because I empties row D. That wait, Row E is allowed to have strongholds.

If I fill Rows A to F, I only have row F as a borderland, and as such, I have 10 borderland * 3, or 30 new units per turn.

If I empty Row D, no one can attack it, since I control row C and E, BUT, now, Rows C, E and F are borderlands, and yield me 30 * 3 new units per turn!

Row C is ALSO a stronghold line... since it touches Row D.

I just gamed your game to maximize my defense and increase my revenues...

PS: I am not trying to cheat, I am trying to give you feedback. I myself designed 5 board games, 3 of which made it to prototype..

2 - You need to use a Capitalshift to set your Capital. I've pointed that out somewhere in rules.

ok

3 - Yes you need to pass (so that one didn't take the Capitalshift too lightly)

But we can still build Strongholds, right with the remaining actions?

4 - That was what I asked myself when I was on my way home. Let's say the Gamemaster has a duty to remind those who didn't set their Capitals to please kindly do that next step. (with 10 actions of withdrawal instead of 5).

Can I continue to conquer and end my turn witht the capitalshift? That way, no need to remind me?