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Post by Sevastáin Pinátsch on Feb 25, 2016 13:42:06 GMT -6
For what it matters, PËR
I agree he should be stripped of all titles and honours conferred, including Arms.
I don't think his citizenship can or should be revoked.
I think future incidents involving the conduct of citizens outside of Talossa should be weighed individually.
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Post by Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on Feb 26, 2016 15:07:17 GMT -6
I know where i stand on the issue, and i fully condemn the acts and shame ICC has brought to our country, I have to abstain, purely as only currently acting senator, having techicaly removed myself from office due to my inactivity. I would vote pur if this was disrigarded
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Ian da Bitour
Talossan since 3-11-2006
President of Royal Bank and Post
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Post by Ian da Bitour on Feb 29, 2016 1:50:27 GMT -6
Third, I think that anything which unilaterally revokes citizenship would violate OrgLaw. Perhaps there should be a mechanism that allows a UC justice to require that the offending citizen's information be purged from all government websites, his Witt account be suspended indefinitely, etc., along with a mechanism for appealing the decision to the full court. Still technically a citizen (until they strike out, assuming they are in prison), but unable to participate on any government sponsored or affiliated board. We should also make it a requirement for prospective citizens to be checked against sex offender databases, if such a database exists in their country of origin. Agreed on the first section, but I think that, regarding the latter part of your post, prospective citizens should always receive some kind of background check, not only against sex related crimes. I do believe that right now there are certain "triggers" which can prompt immigration officials to block an application. Which by the way happened not too long ago. I am all for civil liberties, but preventing is better than curing. Hence, a rapid background check (even simply Googling one's full name) should always be desirable. This is the prerogative of Primary Intelligence Group. Only they can do such checks under our current legislation (I think). wiki.talossa.com/Primary_Intelligence_Group
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Feb 29, 2016 5:01:45 GMT -6
Agreed on the first section, but I think that, regarding the latter part of your post, prospective citizens should always receive some kind of background check, not only against sex related crimes. I do believe that right now there are certain "triggers" which can prompt immigration officials to block an application. Which by the way happened not too long ago. I am all for civil liberties, but preventing is better than curing. Hence, a rapid background check (even simply Googling one's full name) should always be desirable. This is the prerogative of Primary Intelligence Group. Only they can do such checks under our current legislation (I think). wiki.talossa.com/Primary_Intelligence_Group This is the first time that I hear of this. Have they been established by law, or by administrative act?
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 29, 2016 5:42:19 GMT -6
This is the first time that I hear of this. Have they been established by law, or by administrative act? They were, but the PIG was deleted from statutory law by 47RZ8. The Ministry of Defence has been pretty quiet about administrative matters since then, so it's not clear which of the formerly-statutory bureaus of the ministry he intended to continue in existence.
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