Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Feb 22, 2016 15:51:12 GMT -6
The issue that "but Justin won't be present for his trial" is irrelevant. We can appoint a Public Defender for him (or for McGarry, or any other defendant currently Breaking Rocks In The Hot Sun). That would give such people all the benefits of a fair trial.
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Feb 22, 2016 15:53:11 GMT -6
The issue that "but Justin won't be present for his trial" is irrelevant. We can appoint a Public Defender for him (or for McGarry, or any other defendant currently Breaking Rocks In The Hot Sun). That would give such people all the benefits of a fair trial. Isn't McGarry already an ex-citizen?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Feb 22, 2016 15:54:30 GMT -6
I honestly don't know, but if he is, then fine, we don't need to go after him as well.
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Feb 22, 2016 15:57:14 GMT -6
Third, I think that anything which unilaterally revokes citizenship would violate OrgLaw. Perhaps there should be a mechanism that allows a UC justice to require that the offending citizen's information be purged from all government websites, his Witt account be suspended indefinitely, etc., along with a mechanism for appealing the decision to the full court. Still technically a citizen (until they strike out, assuming they are in prison), but unable to participate on any government sponsored or affiliated board. We should also make it a requirement for prospective citizens to be checked against sex offender databases, if such a database exists in their country of origin. Agreed on the first section, but I think that, regarding the latter part of your post, prospective citizens should always receive some kind of background check, not only against sex related crimes. I do believe that right now there are certain "triggers" which can prompt immigration officials to block an application. Which by the way happened not too long ago. I am all for civil liberties, but preventing is better than curing. Hence, a rapid background check (even simply Googling one's full name) should always be desirable. Googling someone's name isn't a background check, though I suppose I agree it is better than nothing. Complete background checks cost money, however, and it would be impractical to run one for each person who fills out an application. Searching sex offender databases on the other hand, at least in the States, is almost always free to do.
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Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN
Puisne Justice; Chancellor of the Royal Talossan Bar; Cunstaval to Florencia
Dame & Former Seneschal
Posts: 1,157
Talossan Since: 4-5-2010
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
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Post by Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN on Feb 22, 2016 16:46:27 GMT -6
Good faith in reaching him is the issue. We can always send him a letter in prison. You'll find him at: Ruben M. Torres Unit, 125 Private Road 4303, Hondo, TX 78861 till at least 18/03/2040
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Feb 22, 2016 18:00:27 GMT -6
The problem with background checks is that for some countries you still wouldn't find the information out.
For example, the UK. Only law authorities can view the sex offender register. It's not open to public viewing.
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Owen Edwards
Puisne Justice
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Talossan Since: 12-8-2007
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Post by Owen Edwards on Feb 22, 2016 18:02:09 GMT -6
That's not really the point - it's about due diligence. We need to do the best we reasonably can.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Feb 22, 2016 18:22:47 GMT -6
That's not really the point - it's about due diligence. We need to do the best we reasonably can. Of course. I'm all for that. It's quite an easy law to write then. "The Chancery will grant citizenship after a petition for citizenship has ben made and when the Chancery is satisfied all due diligence has took place in satisfying the prospective citizen is a real person and is of good standing in his extra-Talossan affairs". Yeah?
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Owen Edwards
Puisne Justice
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Talossan Since: 12-8-2007
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Post by Owen Edwards on Feb 22, 2016 18:23:47 GMT -6
Yeah, something like that would do.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Feb 22, 2016 19:12:20 GMT -6
Good faith in reaching him is the issue. We can always send him a letter in prison. You'll find him at: Ruben M. Torres Unit, 125 Private Road 4303, Hondo, TX 78861 till at least 18/03/2040 Oh good, we can write to him to tell him that everything has come out and all the things he's been stripped of. Sorry if that sounds frivolous. I do believe that even the worst offenders can repent and turn themselves around, and those people who were Cannon's friends should probably keep in touch for that reason.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Feb 22, 2016 20:21:20 GMT -6
You'll find him at: Ruben M. Torres Unit, 125 Private Road 4303, Hondo, TX 78861 till at least 18/03/2040 Oh good, we can write to him to tell him that everything has come out and all the things he's been stripped of. Sorry if that sounds frivolous. I do believe that even the worst offenders can repent and turn themselves around, and those people who were Cannon's friends should probably keep in touch for that reason. I believe this too. Rehabilitation is possible.
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Feb 23, 2016 4:05:37 GMT -6
To the Senator for Fiovâ in particular, would introducing her proposed legislation about bringing Talossa into disrepute immediately through a PD be considered Organic re. prosecuting Canun in the UC?
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Feb 23, 2016 4:24:11 GMT -6
To the Senator for Fiovâ in particular, would introducing her proposed legislation about bringing Talossa into disrepute immediately through a PD be considered Organic re. prosecuting Canun in the UC? I am not the Senator for Fiôvâ, but that is a tremendously bad idea, and I will not stand for such legislation being introduced by PD.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Feb 23, 2016 9:00:16 GMT -6
What Epic said.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Feb 23, 2016 9:00:35 GMT -6
What Epic said.
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