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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Feb 3, 2016 16:34:06 GMT -6
I'd be curious to know what changes to the Corts are being proposed by the Senator. Well, it's a matter which I have pondered quite extensively. In all my deliberations, I have come to the conclusion that a lay-judge-type system may be worthwhile; all the while reverting to the Magistrates' Courts and Uppermost Cort System — I don't like having merely one judicative body. For example, the Magistrates' Courts could comprise one professional Magistrate and two randomly appointed assessors. These assessors would sit only on one case per month at most, and might even be reimbursed. Or maybe some kind of jury-system? In cases of provincial activity, one could suggest that they build a third layer of, say, single-Judge-courts, e.g. for civil actions, and petty offences. I think activity and enthusiasm would increase in the Corts, if the Judges, Magistrates, and Justices were paid — even if the amount of payment were minor. But for that to happen, the Kingdom would need a regular income, e.g. by means of coins, stamps, ID cards (I actually desperately want a Talossan ID card!), etc. Anyway, there are many possibilities, but I genuinely dislike the single-Court-system.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 3, 2016 19:57:15 GMT -6
I must respectfully point out that many of these ideas are rather impractical. After years of struggling with a stagnant legal system, where judges fell into inactivity almost by magic, the moment they were appointed, we now have some semblance of an active judiciary. We shouldn't immediately abandon it for system that we know for a fact don't work. It's a plain certainty that we have ten lawyers at absolute most. I can literally name them all off the top off my head. Given that, there's no room for multiple layers of the judiciary, there's no room for civil and criminal courts, and there's no room for provincial courts. Those things are not wrong in principle, but there just aren't enough lawyers. Someday, hopefully... if we can reverse the current trend with our active citizens, who dwindle every month! If you wish to see ID cards produced, I would suggest you vote RUMP. The RUMP is the only government that has ever cared enough to produce these and send them out. I did it myself, and I have the templates here and laminator ready for a second issue. And of course, you know that we've been badgering the government for a year now to try to get our stamps promoted and sold. Neither here nor there, but I gotta pitch them while I have them!
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Feb 4, 2016 3:47:06 GMT -6
I must respectfully point out that many of these ideas are rather impractical. After years of struggling with a stagnant legal system, where judges fell into inactivity almost by magic, the moment they were appointed, we now have some semblance of an active judiciary. We shouldn't immediately abandon it for system that we know for a fact don't work. It's a plain certainty that we have ten lawyers at absolute most. I can literally name them all off the top off my head. Given that, there's no room for multiple layers of the judiciary, there's no room for civil and criminal courts, and there's no room for provincial courts. Those things are not wrong in principle, but there just aren't enough lawyers. Someday, hopefully... if we can reverse the current trend with our active citizens, who dwindle every month! If you wish to see ID cards produced, I would suggest you vote RUMP. The RUMP is the only government that has ever cared enough to produce these and send them out. I did it myself, and I have the templates here and laminator ready for a second issue. And of course, you know that we've been badgering the government for a year now to try to get our stamps promoted and sold. Neither here nor there, but I gotta pitch them while I have them! Well, of course they are impractical with the few number of citizens that we have. We really need more citizens... But lay and provincial judges need not be lawyers, mind you — that was why I proposed such things. And yes, the judiciary is working at the moment, but again, we hear nothing of almost all Justices — except for D:r dal Nordselvă, and I think D:a Cjantscheir once asked some parties in a Court case one question. I know Edwards and Tamorán are judges, as well; the former is currently inactive, the latter has not been visibly presiding over cases recently, but at least he is participating in Talossa. And why is Ardpresteir even still a Justice? Hah, nice try! But opinions on monarchy, politics, laws, principles, etc. are more important to me than ID cards — because everybody can do those! I will surely vote MRPT, and you should consider voting MRPT, as well. Because we want to limit the Monarch’s powers, we want to introduce a way for him to be replaced democratically, and we don’t always fight with Miestrâ, or with you — but it does happen sometimes, so we apologise for that!
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 4, 2016 6:19:37 GMT -6
What, are we on to counter-rebuttals now? Okay!
I agree that policy is important, as well as practical results... but that doesn't mean that practical results aren't important. We've had three terms of MRPT and FDT government (with the latter shuffling around into ZRT and LIB, but never really changing people) and three terms of virtually little result but the status quo. The biggest completed project in that time was el Lexhatx... and the government didn't even help with that! It's time for a change, I think.
This is not to say that the MRPT doesn't also have many good qualities and excellent people in it, like yourself, Senator, and we probably shouldn't be on this subject -- but I couldn't resist when you mentioned how much you wanted an ID card! I'd love to get that done for you... that's what the RUMP does, it gets things done.
Anyway, sorry for helping turn the debate this way! Let's get back to M-M!
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Feb 4, 2016 7:09:17 GMT -6
What, are we on to counter-rebuttals now? Okay! The rebuttals can go on until a candidate does not have a rebuttal, or I deem that they are no longer informative. I have thought the exchange was very informative and substantive (and the candidates are actually debating, much more so that in the national debate), so I was loathe to end the exchange before it ended itself. Therefore, Senator da Lhiun may rebut if he wishes
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Feb 4, 2016 18:14:26 GMT -6
What, are we on to counter-rebuttals now? Okay! I agree that policy is important, as well as practical results... but that doesn't mean that practical results aren't important. We've had three terms of MRPT and FDT government (with the latter shuffling around into ZRT and LIB, but never really changing people) and three terms of virtually little result but the status quo. The biggest completed project in that time was el Lexhatx... and the government didn't even help with that! It's time for a change, I think. This is not to say that the MRPT doesn't also have many good qualities and excellent people in it, like yourself, Senator, and we probably shouldn't be on this subject -- but I couldn't resist when you mentioned how much you wanted an ID card! I'd love to get that done for you... that's what the RUMP does, it gets things done. Anyway, sorry for helping turn the debate this way! Let's get back to M-M! Counterbuttals seem okay, says the moderator; so let's re-counterbut this. Re-counterbutt? Whatever, both reads hilariously. I was not around to see how more than one RUMP government changed Talossa's status quo, and while Reunision happened, I would wager that was more of a joint whole-nation-effort rather than pure Governmental success. The fact that Talossa can change only so much by Governmental effort should be clear to everyone: Society does not change by what the Government decides that it should do, but by what steps every single piece within that Society takes. In my opinion, following things happened to cause a stagnating status quo at the moment: 1) RUMP-era meant stagnation, because they were resting on their laurels. 2) MRPT et al. took over Government in elections, and new structures got introduced, mainly: - Judiciary was reformed a few times - Semi-Permeable Wall was broken down - Provincial Assignments were discussed and changed - “Interior Ministry” was created from three other Ministries, to ensure more effective Cabinet operatings 3) Simultaneously, many previously-active citizens from the RUMP's spectre went inactive — be it out of protest that their party was not in Government, or for other (unforeseen) reasons that pulled their attention from the Kingdom 4) Therefore, MRPT, ZRT/Lib/FDA, et alii efforts to keep activity at a high level, and thereby ensure change and positive commotion in the Kingdom became severely strained to the point that antipathy and slackness overcame those other citizens (and more importantly, new invändreirs), who were here because Talossa was the most active, and serious “micronation”. ∴ in conclusion, I hold that mainly because of a chain reaction of different events, the nation has succombed to a drowsiness, which needs to be shaken off by virtue of activation of citizens. Hence, summoning old citizens to activity, and binding immigrants with excitement should be the most important thing for any political party wherewith to concern themselves. Yes, I realise that this sounds like an Old Norse spell to win a war, or something. And maybe it is a spell to win the war against stagnation and reluctance of Talossans to participate. “Vaknið, Talossaes! Vaknið, Talossaes!” Chant with me! “Vaknið, Talossaes!”
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 5, 2016 6:29:58 GMT -6
Fair enough! I'll reply later tonight, if that's okay -- I had no time before work this morning.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 5, 2016 15:10:38 GMT -6
Let me say that I am tremendously proud of my party affiliation, and I think that being a RUMPer is a strong credit for my candidacy.
I disagree with you on many particulars, though Senator. While things got slack by the time we got to Seneschal Txec dal Nordselva, it would be wrong to suggest that the RUMP only rested on its laurels. The RUMP is responsible for introducing terpelaziuns, the MIB II modern budgeting process, the designs for coins and stamps, the actual printing of stamps, the creation of the modern government system by creating the current Cabinet and Household, the repeal of the special House Law that applied only to the monarch, the separation of powers that restricted the monarch from important jobs, the creation of most the entire huge website (even with the new and incomplete talossa.com, most of the actual content is just copied over), the passage and implementation of the only census to have ever actually been conducted, the printing and mailing out of ID cards, the creation of TalossaWare and vending of it, the printing and distribution of flyers throughout the GTA, a Google AdSense advertising campaign, the acquisition of Shiny Objects, and many many other things -- right down to the rather important "held things together during the darkest of times." And honestly, there's probably a dozen other things I'm forgetting.
In three terms of this coalition government, though... well, not much, right? I think everyone would agree that it has been a pretty big disappointment, especially lately. The Seneschal even publicly apologized to the nation -- and he deserves credit for having the guts to do that. But I don't see how it can possibly still be somehow the RUMP's fault.
Remember that the coalition government fired every single RUMPer from any deputy positions, purposefully purging them from government. I was a Deputy Attorney General when the MRPT took the helm, and so was Dama Litz: like other RUMPers who had stayed on to assist, we were all terminated from our positions by the incoming government. If our help had been wanted or needed, then we probably shouldn't have been fired.
Further, don't forget that many RUMPers had put in long years of service in many capacities. Hooligan wrote an entire published book about our language. Sir Iusti was a flawless Secretary of State for a long time. I don't begrudge them a single minute of their rest.
And of course, it's just plain wrong to try to blame the coalition's lack of accomplishments on the opposition. To the contrary, we have helped as we could, pointing out problems as a loyal opposition. My reporting exposed that the national websites were incredibly out of date, some of them never having been updated during all three terms. If it hadn't been for my Terpelaziun, is it likely that anyone would have noticed a corrupt Avocat-Xheneral trying to be both plaintiff and defense? And of course -- and sorry to mention it again, but come on! -- I took the lead and did almost everything when it comes to putting together el Lexhatx, our legal code.
I am proud to be a RUMPer.
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Feb 5, 2016 16:45:39 GMT -6
That will be all of the rebuttals for this topic, so on to the next question, directed first to Sir Davinescu.
What other issue do you feel the strongest about, and why? What will you do to address it?
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 5, 2016 22:26:35 GMT -6
The issue I feel the strongest about is that Han Solo shot first, not Greedo.
The issue I feel the strongest about in Talossa is the preservation of the country itself -- keeping it going in the face of daunting challenges. Talossa is unique and precious, and needs protection.
The issue I feel the strongest about in Talossa that is relevant to our moment is citizen activity. Over the past year, we've lost more and more active citizens. They aren't being replaced. And at a certain point, it will become a terminal issue.
I'm reminded of the last days of the Republic of Talossa, before they united with us. Many citizens had been driven away by the constant arguments, and since there were so few people remaining, there weren't many opportunities for anyone who might want to actually do Talossa. Things got quieter, and quieter. By the eighth year, there were only two candidates for the job of President -- one of whom actually specifically said they didn't want the job! Eventually, they had to drastically amend their government... since they didn't have enough people left to fill all the positions!
The Republic tried various remedies to solve this problem of inactivity. President Miestrâ Schivâ, who held that position for two terms before it was eliminated by Reunision and the end of the Republic, aimed to "shake things up around here," taking bold action and making provocative statements in hopes of either fixing the problem or provoking a reaction. For obvious reasons, this didn't work. Likewise, the last Seneschal of the Republic, C. Carlüs Xheraltescu, found no success with his own plan of action -- a plan that mostly consisted of passing legislation. The record is out there, on their Wittenberg and in their speeches. We can see how it all went down, if we just look.
We can't let the same thing happen here. There is no substitute for competence -- for getting things done. Passing good laws and reorganizing bureaucracies are important things to do... but you can't legislate people into having fun, and it doesn't matter how the deck chairs are arranged on a sinking ship.
So above all, what Talossa needs now is an active and competent government... not to continue the status quo again. That is the issue about which I feel strongest. If I am fortunate enough to get your vote, then I will do everything I can to support government projects actually being accomplished. No excuses and no no ego. What excites our current Senator? Why, the prospect of ID cards! That is what I'm talking about, folks. Let's get Talossa moving!
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Post by Ián Tamorán S.H. on Feb 6, 2016 4:29:11 GMT -6
.... And yes, the judiciary is working at the moment, but again, we hear nothing of almost all Justices — except for D:r dal Nordselvă, and I think D:a Cjantscheir once asked some parties in a Court case one question. I know Edwards and Tamorán are judges, as well; the former is currently inactive, the latter has not been visibly presiding over cases recently, but at least he is participating in Talossa. ... FYI, behind the scenes - and it has to be in camera - the Justices - all of them - are working hard on, and communicating frequently on the cases currently in front of the Cort. The fact you do not see us does not mean we are not working. Part of my participation in Talossa is, thus, invisible - and the same for the other Justices too. Note that all of the recent questions asked in Cort and all of the statements made by the Cort had all been considered by all the Justices before they were put or stated.
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Feb 6, 2016 21:55:22 GMT -6
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Feb 7, 2016 3:56:03 GMT -6
Five hours ago, it was six a.m. in the morning in my time zone, and yesterday was my grandmother’s last day here, so I chose to spend the day with her! Sorry for the extreme delay, but now that I am walking my dog, I can reply:
What I feel strongly about is the role and importance of politics in Talossa. I think our Nationette never has been given a chance to develop independent cultural, academic, artisan sectors, and I would love if the public (I can’t believe I am arguing the exact opposite from what I plead macronationally) were less politically, and more unpolitically/culturally involved.
Learn our language, start a Talossan band, write an English-language fictional book involving Talossa, come together in secular or religious groups.
LIVE TALOSSA! And if we all do, I am sure citizen activity will begin to increase once more!
We NEED to take politics out of culture, and culture out of politics!
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Feb 9, 2016 6:22:41 GMT -6
The time for rebuttals has passed, and now for the last question before closing statements, directed first to Senator da Lhiun;
How would you rate yourself on a 0-10 peculiarist-derivatist scale and on a 0-10 republican-monarchist scale? Are there any other scales you would like to rate yourself on?
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Feb 9, 2016 7:14:22 GMT -6
Before I rate myself on those scales, I would love it if the moderator could define exactly what those scales mean, and what their definitions for this purpose are, so that anyone following the debate knows, where I place myself at.
Also, in the past, I have heard contradictory definitions of “peculiarism”, and “derivativism” respectively; so I also ask this lest I misrepresent myself.
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