Proclamation of Amendments

[Glüc da Dhi]

EPIC!!!

good to see you!

You're just in time for a constitutional crisis.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Jun 2, 2015 17:26:16 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

Jun 2, 2015 17:24:46 GMT -6 Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun said:

Is this a bad time to make a meek, remorseful, and yet flamboyant appearance?

And where the hell have you been? You were supposed to be home by midnight in April!!

/fixed

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

While I agree that the King has overstepped morally, seeing that the powers bestowed upon the Crown are a delegation of the People's certain powers; I would like to thank Our Monarch for voicing his opinion.

To be honest, instead of the constant bickering, badgering, nudging and tip-toeing of some of our politicians, I value someone who will actually voice their opinion, speak up for wherein they believe, and stand by it.
So thank you, King John, for telling us about your views regarding Amendments to the Organic Law.

And before y'all wiggle the collective tits, I'd urge you to calm them -- the Organic Law does not speak of the Monarch's right to veto an Amendment to the Organic Law, it merely states that the King "may proclaim". I would personally read that to mean that whether the King does proclaim, or not, the Amendment has passed and shall be implemented. So again: let's all calm down, and not give in to petty disputes.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

To be honest, instead of the constant bickering, badgering, nudging and tip-toeing of some of our politicians, I value someone who will actually voice their opinion, speak up for wherein they believe, and stand by it.
So thank you, King John, for telling us about your views regarding Amendments to the Organic Law.

Because our politicians never publicly voice their opinions. No sir!

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Basically, what I am saying, is: "Bad King! Bad, bad, bad King! No dessert for you!"

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Jun 2, 2015 17:43:18 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

To be honest, instead of the constant bickering, badgering, nudging and tip-toeing of some of our politicians, I value someone who will actually voice their opinion, speak up for wherein they believe, and stand by it.
So thank you, King John, for telling us about your views regarding Amendments to the Organic Law.

Because our politicians never publicly voice their opinions. No sir!

I said *some*!

[King John]

In over a dozen places, the Organic Law says that "the King shall" do something (like appoint the candidate of a majority party as Seneschal, or appoint magistrates). In a few cases, it says "the King may" do something (like dissolve the Cosa early, or commute a sentence). Proclaiming an Amendment is a "may", and the law says explicitly that the Amendment is made "BY proclamation by the King", not by action of the Ziu or the people or the Scribe.

The difference between the King's being required to act, and being permitted to act, is very clear in the text of the law. I'm not REQUIRED to dissolve a Cosa early, but I'm permitted to. I don't HAVE to veto legislation, but I can. I'm not REQUIRED to proclaim Amendments, but I'm allowed to.

This system is hardly dictatorial, or absolutist, and it's silly to use language like that. What it is, it's conservative. It means that fundamental changes to the constitution of Talossa require at least the acquiescence of the Crown.

— John R

[Gaglhen Fortaleça]

Here it is friends, a chance to protest the power of the King and BE FIRM ABOUT IT. The King has denied the EXPLICIT WILL of the people. SOCIALISM AND TALOSSA AS A WHOLE CANNOT LET THIS STAND. Was that voiced enough for you Magniloqueu?

[Óïn Ursüm]

This thread is so quotable -- it's great!

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Jun 2, 2015 17:44:36 GMT -6 Gaglhen Fortaleça said:

Here it is friends, a chance to protest the power of the King and BE FIRM ABOUT IT. The King has denied the EXPLICIT WILL of the people. SOCIALISM AND TALOSSA AS A WHOLE CANNOT LET THIS STAND. Was that voiced enough for you Magniloqueu?

I said "calm", and "do not wiggle". (Or something to that effect.) But you almost have it!

[Gaglhen Fortaleça]

Jun 2, 2015 17:45:30 GMT -6 Óïn Ursüm said:

This thread is so quotable -- it's great!

I know right?

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

It means that fundamental changes to the constitution of Talossa require at least the acquiescence of the Crown.

An absolutist position which not even Mad King Bobby himself would have dared to put forward (publicly, at least). If we allow this to happen, John has pretty much declared that he owns Talossa and that Talossa can never really change unless he says so.



Once more, I challenge the RUMP to say whether this is their idea of constitutional monarchy. It is certainly not that of any of the outgoing Government parties, or the Socialists, or the new Independent MC Hayes.

[Gaglhen Fortaleça]

I am calm, in fact i'm a little ecstatic, this gives us a chance to truly see certain flaws in the organic law and tweak them a bit or a lot if need be

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Is he "Bobby" for some time now, or did you just come up with that, Miestrâ?

[Sevastáin Pinátsch]

If anyone had any doubts as to whether they joined/supported the right political party, this is certainty the perfect test.