Proclamation of Amendments

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

Jun 2, 2015 16:15:13 GMT -6 King John said:

Jun 2, 2015 16:00:07 GMT -6 Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. said:

Just to make this 100% clear, the Chancery is in no way involved in this decision and it is the official position of the Chancery to be outraged at the King's action to reject the will of the PEOPLE.

I'm curious. Where in the Organic Law, or anywhere in Talossan law, is the Chancery authorized or permitted to take an "official position" on a controversial political question?

— John R

John, you're digging a bigger and bigger hole, here. By deflecting criticism in this way, you simply make the people even more angry.

"My reason for NOT proclaiming 47RZ28 is simply that to do so would limit the Crown's freedom in exercising the Royal Organic prerogative to appoint as Constable — that is, as the Crown's personal representative to a Province — whomever the Crown pleases. This action is in concert with my general intention vigorously (but always legally!) to defend the Crown's several privileges and prerogatives." This is not good-enough reason to have blocked this amendment from passage. Why is it in the best interests of Talossa for you to have greater ceremonial powers and to encourage multiple-office-holding among multiple provinces? Is there a manpower shortage we need to be aware of, and if so, why did not not express yourself thusly in the first place?

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

Jun 2, 2015 16:34:21 GMT -6 King John said:

Jun 2, 2015 16:24:37 GMT -6 Óïn Ursüm said:

Do we have a Scribe of Abbavilla? They can just enter the amendment into law (as it should be according to standard practice) and see if there is a challenge from any quarters.

Which would of course make the Scribe an almost-absolute dictator, since he could completely rewrite the Organic Law at his own whim.

Probably not a good plan.

— John R

Agreed. What you did was legal. It was not according to the wishes of the Ziu and People (and I for the life of me cannot fathom why you opposed that amendment), but in my humble opinion, it was perfectly legal.

GV

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

Jun 2, 2015 16:38:13 GMT -6 King John said:

I think Óïn is arguing that when the law says "may" it means "must", and when it says "authorized" it means "required". Humpty Dumpty would agree.

— John R

John, you are expressing what the People have always understood the use of the word *may* to mean, but you are not helping your case here, friend.

Was there a credible danger to Talossa in not allowing people to be Cunstuval of one province and the elected leader of another?

[Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H.]

Jun 2, 2015 16:34:21 GMT -6 King John said:

Jun 2, 2015 16:24:37 GMT -6 Óïn Ursüm said:

Do we have a Scribe of Abbavilla? They can just enter the amendment into law (as it should be according to standard practice) and see if there is a challenge from any quarters.

Which would of course make the Scribe an almost-absolute dictator, since he could completely rewrite the Organic Law at his own whim.

Probably not a good plan.

— John R

A dictator is someone who acts regardless of the will of the people. The people have spoke, the scribe would just be following the Democratic will of the people.

[Ian Plätschisch]

The wording of the King's statement seems to imply consent by silence. The King admits that most recent amendments have not been proclaimed, but they are still in effect.

If 47RZ28 is not proclaimed, precedent shows that it would still be in effect.

This is what I hope, because I cannot bear the alternative.

[Óïn Ursüm]

Jun 2, 2015 16:48:50 GMT -6 Óïn Ursüm said:

Jun 2, 2015 16:48:19 GMT -6 King John said:

So, when the King says "I hereby explicitly refrain from proclaiming", what he REALLY means is "I hereby silently proclaim". Humpty Dumpty again.

— John R

I can think of no other way to charitably interpret the OrgLaw. The framers weren't so short-sighted.

In addition, I would suggest that your Majesty misspoke, in that you did not explicitly refrain from proclaiming the amendment, but in fact refrained from explicitly proclaiming it. While the monarch's words need not always line up with his clear actions (in this case, proclamation of the amendment), it would be clearer for the populace if they did.

[Vit Caçeir]

Jun 2, 2015 16:48:19 GMT -6 King John said:

So, when the King says "I hereby explicitly refrain from proclaiming", what he REALLY means is "I hereby silently proclaim". Humpty Dumpty again.

— John R

Considering that the King's proclamation is expressly authorized (e.g. sanctioned, enabled, legitimized, etc.) by two-thirds vote in both houses and a public referendum, and there's been an established and royally acknowledged precedent for "silent proclamations," it's not exactly the most unreasonable argument to make. The legislative and balloting processes are the clear compelling force in the amendment process.

The Scribe's consistently established role is to "maintain all laws... with the same content that was approved by the Ziu--" enabling a new Scribe to complete that responsibility is one of the two clearly pursuable opportunities to rectify one massive imbalance of powers within the OrgLaw.

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Is this a bad time to make a meek, remorseful, and yet flamboyant appearance?

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Jun 2, 2015 17:24:46 GMT -6 Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun said:

Is this a bad time to make a meek, remorseful, and yet flamboyant appearance?

And where the hell have you been? You were supposed to be home by midnight!

[Sevastáin Pinátsch]

Jun 2, 2015 17:24:46 GMT -6 Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun said:

Is this a bad time to make a meek, remorseful, and yet flamboyant appearance?

About damned time, too.

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Jun 2, 2015 17:26:16 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

Jun 2, 2015 17:24:46 GMT -6 Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun said:

Is this a bad time to make a meek, remorseful, and yet flamboyant appearance?

And where the hell have you been? You were supposed to be home by midnight!

Sorry, mum. The head teacher grounded me for a reeeeally long time. Didn't they call you? Yeah, apparently, my finals are coming up and I *have* to take a written and oral exam in History, which I thought I hadn't. So, I have to catch up to two years' studying of History in less than one year.

[Vit Caçeir]

Jun 2, 2015 17:18:56 GMT -6 Ian Plätschisch said:

If 47RZ28 is not proclaimed, precedent shows that it would still be in effect.

That or all silently affirmed amendments to OrgLaw have been illegally enacted. In either case, it does not for a young Cosa a very merry Christmas make.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Jun 2, 2015 17:28:53 GMT -6 Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun said:

Jun 2, 2015 17:26:16 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

And where the hell have you been? You were supposed to be home by midnight!

Sorry, mum. The head teacher grounded me for a reeeeally long time. Didn't they call you? Yeah, apparently, my finals are coming up and I *have* to take a written and oral exam in History, which I thought I hadn't. So, I have to catch up to two years' studying of History in less than one year.

You wait until I tell your father, young man!

[Ian Plätschisch]

Jun 2, 2015 17:29:16 GMT -6 Vit Caçeir said:

Jun 2, 2015 17:18:56 GMT -6 Ian Plätschisch said:

If 47RZ28 is not proclaimed, precedent shows that it would still be in effect.

That or all silently affirmed amendments to OrgLaw have been illegally enacted. In either case, it does not for a young Cosa a very merry Christmas make.

Well, King John, WHICH is it?

We all are just dying to know.

[Nicholas Hayes]

I too would like to confer my shock and disappointment at this announcement by the King.

The Organic Law belongs to the people, not the Crown. The Crown's several privileges and prerogatives are given and entrusted to the Crown via our Organic Law, by the citizens of Talossa. Therefore it is the prerogative of the citizens of Talossa and not the Crown to determine if these privileges should be extended or curtailed.

The Crown had every opportunity to voice its displeasure at this amendment before it was voted upon by the people and let them consider the Crown's arguments before casting their ballots. This was not done.

The people have spoken and the Crown must listen.